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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
This is my latest in thought-reading with the spectators saying NOTHING. Four participants come forward. There are no stooges or pre-show work. On stage is a large chart with just the 5 ESP symbols...not repeated. Just the five symbols large enough to be seen from the audience. The participants are asked to just think of any symbol and not change their minds. They do NOT select an ESP card, just think of a symbol on the chart. They do not tell you, nor do they write it down. They just think of one and say nothing. All four people could be thinking of a different symbol or the same symbol. They don't know because that information is not shared with each other.
You also tell the audience that if anyone in the audience would like to play along, then to just think of a symbol. The people do NOT raise their hands to say they will play alone. The participants close their eyes and draw the image of their chosen symbol in their mind. Again they say nothing. Just close their eyes and think. Performer tells them to open their eyes and clear their minds. He walks over and gives each person an ESP card face down, and never touches it again...ONLY AFTER they have the cards face down in their hands, does the performer ask each person to tell the audience what symbol that was thought of. Believe it or not each person turns over the card given him and it matches the thought of symbol. Again let me stress, NOTHING is written down, there are no forces, no restrictions, any participant can think of any symbol...and he/she says nothing UNTIL the card is given to them. After they name their symbols they show the cards they are holding match what was in their mind. NO SWITCHES of the cards. For a climax the performer points to people in the audience who he has NEVER met before and says you are thinking of a symbol correct? With no fishing of any kind he then tells 3 or 4 people at random in the audience exactly what symbol they had in mind. 100% sure-fire. You never miss. Available later this month from your favorite dealer....yes this plays exactly as it reads. The people ONLY close their eyes and think. I know it sounds impossible, but my method allows you to do this with no chance of failure. As close to real mind-reading as you can get. No memorization, no referring to hidden cue lists. All you need is the special ESP chart which can be examined. Use any deck of ESP cards or just simply tell the person the symbol he thought of. NO INSTANT Stooges or DUAL reality....what the audience sees is exactly what happens. Here is a video link to real life demo shot during an actual show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dh0TtgZuJA |
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noxas Regular user U.K 121 Posts |
Sounds great! is it out now?
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Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5131 Posts |
That looks great Devin. That´s based in Al Mann´s work ?
Pablo
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noxas Regular user U.K 121 Posts |
Also whats the actual name of this effect? iv seen it as 'foretold', 'four told' and 'four thought'
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
Yes, I was Al's protege and this is an improvement and greatly streamlined version of an idea that I felt was too cumbersome.My version has some really clever ideas built into the chart so you don't need hidden cue lists, etc. This is coming out Mid-June. The actual final name for this is FOLD TOLD and that was suggested by my friend Jerry Dunn.
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
Actually Al's ideas were based on an idea found in an old Pheonix, Al first improved the idea in the Pheonix, then he improved on his own idea. I improved upon his ideas and streamlined them and eliminated some of the steps and memory aids to make this the easiest version of this principle yet released.
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Rebecca_Harris Veteran user 361 Posts |
I love the sound of this one, make sure you let me know when it's out and it'll go straight on my shopping list
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts |
Can you point out which of Al's routines you're referring to?
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
Long Range Telepathy in Al Mann's Classified.
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Thomas Cooper Special user 935 Posts |
Critical thinking moment:
The choice of selection is not a free choice, and is a force - It cannot be fishing or it would not work 100% of the time. A free choice is where they may randomly select an symbol by rolling a colour cube; this is not what this is. The advert underplays the selection process. The one question about this product anyone should have is: How invisible and clean is the force? Tom xx
I call myself "Thomas Cooper" here because this stops the magic café appearing when people google my stage name.
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Lost in Thought Veteran user 343 Posts |
If it's based on the Al Mann piece mentioned, then it's not a force.
How invisible it is will depend on how well you hide it, just like everything else in mentalism. |
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
There is NO FORCE.
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Thomas Cooper Special user 935 Posts |
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On 2011-06-07 15:42, Devin Knight wrote: If this is the case then why not a full video demo? What the ad leads us to believe is the effect is that: "Think of any one of these five symbols" "Ok... I'm thinking of one" "You are thinking of the square" "OMG HOW DID YOU KNOW?" That is not what this is, there is obviously something more to it. So what; and how invisible is it? I'm a big advocate of honest adverts, occasionally we will see one that's truly honest about the advantages and disadvantages of the methodology, but that is so rare. If this was an honest one; then it would be clean enough for a full video demo, which it is not - something negative is being hidden, which I dislike.
I call myself "Thomas Cooper" here because this stops the magic café appearing when people google my stage name.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
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On 2011-06-07 14:38, Thomas Cooper wrote: Tom, good ideas. Why don't you ask that question yourself? J |
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Dick Christian Inner circle Northern Virginia (Metro DC) 2619 Posts |
Thomas,
Instead of leaping to erroneous conclusions regarding something you obviously know nothing about why don't you simply click on the link Devin provided in the OP and check out the demo video. Are you familiar with Al Mann's work? Devin's? If you are at all familiar with Devin's work you would know that his announcements include accurate descriptions of his effects and are almost always accompanied by demo videos showing actual performances of his effects. If you are expecting anyone to post a video of an effect they're selling that exposes the method used so that you can decide whether or not it is to your liking I doubt that you will ever be satisfied.
Dick Christian
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
Nothing is being hidden, sorry to say there are advance techniques you are not familiar with. You are trying to solve this based on your limited knowledge of what you think must be methods. The choices are completely free, 4 people think of symbols and SAY NOTHING. Those are the facts.
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cpbartak Special user Mooresville, NC 941 Posts |
Hi Devin,
I just wanted to see if you are aware of Imagine by Rick Maue, and verify if this method is unique from that one. Chris
Some people hear voices.. Some see invisible people.. Others have no imagination whatsoever.
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Thomas Cooper Special user 935 Posts |
I once bought an effect that claimed to reveal a word never spoken aloud, and never written down. This was all true... what the advert failed to include was that the spectator was asked to think of a word with an 'opposite' word to it, for example water/fire, hot/cold, big/little etc... This word was then written down. I
So yes, I am familiar with Devin's work. I think he is a much better writer of ads than he is a creator of effects. And yes, I do expect a full demonstration video for something which CLAIMS to be that clean. If there is some reason that a video cannot be made without exposing the method to other performers -which I understand, for example my signed nail bend is impossible for any laymen to figure out, but is obvious once a performer views it as it uses a very old method applied in a new way- then I expect a good ad to include this downside. I have bought two products from Devin and both of them have had deceptive or misleading (while not dishonest) claims in the adverts. I become very skeptical after two let downs. Combine this with the knowledge that we are talking about Devin here, a man who described Retro-Gravity as THE ULTIMATE levitation... and I think you'll forgive my concern over the accuracy of this ad. And yes, I am aware saying this sort of stuff will not win me any friends; but if I ever see a performance of this by Devin, even if I can work out the method from viewing it, then I will happily come back on here and eat my own words and give a glowing review if I think the effect is genuinely good. Devin, if this can be performed to one person then I will happily be your spectator over Skype. I swear to never reveal the methods, or even use your effect without first purchasing the manuscript. If you wish I will purchase it now just so I can personally be the first to review it; providing the price isn't above the amount I have in paypal. Adverts can be amazingly misleading. If it sounds too good to be true, and this does, then it is. My guess is the catch is quite large - though I'd love to be proved wrong: because if so then I can get this as a tattoo and use it in walkaround.
I call myself "Thomas Cooper" here because this stops the magic café appearing when people google my stage name.
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cpbartak Special user Mooresville, NC 941 Posts |
Thomas, there are already methods in print to do the effect described without forces and without the spectators writing anything down, so I have faith that this ad is not misleading.
Some people hear voices.. Some see invisible people.. Others have no imagination whatsoever.
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
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On 2011-06-07 16:15, cpbartak wrote: Yes I am familiar and the method is completely different. |
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