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The market usually determines whether something is priced appropriately. If he sells out at 200 pounds, then that is certainly the marketprice
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On 2011-06-20 19:54, Thomas Cooper wrote:
I'd happily pay that price if I knew it was not a DR effect.


If you get a spectator on stage and tell them they are going to read someones mind and then 'whisper' to them exactly what to look for and how to assimilate that information into a meaningful thought, then obviously the overall effect for that person will be different from the audience perspective. But that is as far as the DR goes, the people on stage appreciate the same effect as the audience. There are no clever linguistics or double meanings involved.

Thomas Cooper, please stop guessing, if you don't know how an effect is achieved then you cannot and should not criticise it on its method.

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...i don't have any issue with pricing...its his work, he can charge what he likes...its nice to be told "charge more" by people, too...

to be fair, one gig would pay for this - so whats all the groaning over price? if its too rich for your blood -thats fair enough, but don't slate something JUST because its X-amount...

as long as an effect says 'where' it can be performed, then fill yer boots...not got this by the way, but it sounds good...

reminds me a little of a kenton thing from the description...
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You can charge whatever you like for what you sell but when you add that "limited edition" stuff it's hard not to look upon it as a ploy to make all your money before a purchaser gets a chance to say anything bad about your product. Am I being too cynical?

The effect described seems similar to Derren Brown's "Be a Mind Reader for 10p". Is it the same or different?
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Looks like an amazing product. Interesting though, how people will readily buy something at a higher price than at a lower price. You see it all the time in marketing.
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It is a mistake to reconcile the price of an effect in relation to what one charges for a gig. That cannot be a sensible measure of value or justification for price. The question of being 'worth it' must be asked in relation to the cost of other effects on the market. If you have $325 you have the option of buying this, or buying $325 worth of other mentalism products. If you have a pressing need for a new effect and there is nothing else for $325 that is good enough for your purposes (and clearly the more specific the purpose the more difficult a substitute may be to find) then this could be worth it.

As for Kennedy - he is clearly a man of comedy. You can see he's got hustle from his website and even his offerings to the lay public, he's a classic example of an information guru in the making. He's got the facebook integration - but is not yet offering any form of freebie in return for someone making a facebook comment. Missing a trick I think Smile

What I will agree on is that he can charge whatever he likes. But everyone else is more than free to make comment on that price, his marketing and their percieved value of his offer. This sort of debate and criticism goes with the territory of being a marketer.
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On 2011-06-21 10:07, Davit Sicseek wrote:
The question of being 'worth it' must be asked in relation to the cost of other effects on the market.

This is an interesting point. For example, determining whether or not an item is worth more than a copy of "13 Steps" or "Practical Mental Effects."

I was stunned to notice that "PK Touches" is selling for only $15 on Banachek's site! If an effect sells for $150, is it 10 times better than "PK Touches"? I doubt it. If someone were offering "PK Touches" now for the first time, can you imagine how much they'd be charging?

We, the consumers, must shoulder some of the blame for the situation. Until we can control the Pavlovian response to click "Buy" each time we see an ad touting, "Just like real mind reading! Limited Edition! Pre-Order Now!", the longer we will continue to see such ads. It's unfortunate that some people do not limit deception to performance. While there are plenty of folks out there with integrity there are others who come across as used car salesmen trying to sell used cars...to other used car salesmen. Smile You should be wary when the description of the presentation seems vague or if the video demo looks heavily edited. If something looks too good to be true it usually is.

Read ads more carefully and take note of what is NOT being said. It's gotten so that whenever I now see an ad that reads "Nothing written down!" it translates in my mind to "You hand out these really prop-y looking lists, the spectator chooses one of the numbered entries, performs a mathematical calculation, flips the number upside-down and thinks of the Disney character it resembles." Smile

When you are disappointed with an item and you feel you got stung, you need to be willing to announce "The emperor's got no clothes on" instead of being cowed into silence by rave reviews from big names (who probably got the thing for free) and/or by the embarrassment of admitting you spent a week's wages on crap and/or by the realization that you may not be able to palm the purchase off on some other sucker after you speak ill of it.
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The good thing about sites like this is that people can review what they've bought, which can help the majority avoid the cons.

The bad thing about sites like this is that people can review a product before they've bought it, speculating themselves into a lather.

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Actually, any of those facebook comments can be deleted - just like a regular blog comment.
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I'm starting to think I priced "The Artful Mentalism..." a bit too low. No wonder I have to keep performing. Smile

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You should've read "Artful Marketing 101" Bob...
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You should've read "Artful Marketing 101" Bob...


Apparently I should have. Smile
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I have seen the effect live performed by Ken Dyne, and he explained how he did it afterwards. I must be honest to say that I think the book is overpriced. It is a good effect, but even though I'm fairly new to mentalism, there is not much new in Whisper. Just one thing, as I see it. But people are willing to pay 200 pounds for this book so maybe the price is right, because it is the market that determines the price. I will also say that this is for stage use, not for family and friends.

Just to make it clear. I have not read the book myself, and I do not know of supplements that are written by others. I have only seen the effect and the explanation.
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On 2011-06-21 16:56, mastermindreader wrote:
I'm starting to think I priced "The Artful Mentalism..." a bit too low. No wonder I have to keep performing. Smile

At least you keep selling it and people buying it...
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I'm starting to think I priced "The Artful Mentalism..." a bit too low. No wonder I have to keep performing. Smile

At least you keep selling it and people buying it...


Actually, I sold that to the publisher for a flat fee. I had no idea it would sell as well as it did. I think I'll sell my next book for $250,000 a copy. It's a bit steep, but I only need to sell one.

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On 2011-06-22 07:30, mastermindreader wrote:
Actually, I sold that to the publisher for a flat fee.


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On 2011-06-21 16:56, mastermindreader wrote:
I'm starting to think I priced "The Artful Mentalism..." a bit too low. No wonder I have to keep performing. Smile

At least you keep selling it and people buying it...


Actually, I sold that to the publisher for a flat fee. I had no idea it would sell as well as it did. I think I'll sell my next book for $250,000 a copy. It's a bit steep, but I only need to sell one.

:eek:


I have a feeling that the publisher would make more then his money's worth (maybe double over).
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On 2011-06-21 16:56, mastermindreader wrote:
I'm starting to think I priced "The Artful Mentalism..." a bit too low. No wonder I have to keep performing. Smile

At least you keep selling it and people buying it...


Actually, I sold that to the publisher for a flat fee. I had no idea it would sell as well as it did. I think I'll sell my next book for $250,000 a copy. It's a bit steep, but I only need to sell one.

:eek:


On a serious note Bob, have you ever sold a book on a limited basis for a "high" price? If not, are you going to consider it in the future?
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I'm quite aghast at how much discussion has taken place regarding the price of this release. Kennedy has been as clear as possible in describing what purchasers of Whisper will be able to achieve. The price is a moot point as far as I'm concerned.

Up front I will let you know that I consider Kennedy a good friend, and was privileged to be asked to proof-read the book before it was published. The bare bones of Whisper are beautifully elegant in their simplicity. One spectator gains the power to read the mind of another. Even if the mind-reading spectator is interrogated by his peers, and chooses to reveal exactly what was whispered, a healthy dose of illusion still exists.
The extra contributions are pure gold.

I don't consider myself to be well known, or have a reputation that brings any respect here on the Café, your own judgement will dictate to what extent you believe my following statement.
Spectator as mind-reader is certainly not new. However, the methodology behind Whisper is certainly something that, not only I, but several more well-respected members of our community, have confirmed to be a new technique.

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On 2011-06-22 04:26, voh002 wrote:
I have seen the effect live performed by Ken Dyne, and he explained how he did it afterwards. I must be honest to say that I think the book is overpriced. It is a good effect, but even though I'm fairly new to mentalism, there is not much new in Whisper. Just one thing, as I see it. But people are willing to pay 200 pounds for this book so maybe the price is right, because it is the market that determines the price. I will also say that this is for stage use, not for family and friends.

Just to make it clear. I have not read the book myself, and I do not know of supplements that are written by others. I have only seen the effect and the explanation.


I think Kennedy has learned something good here.
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