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Dick Christian Inner circle Northern Virginia (Metro DC) 2619 Posts |
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On 2011-07-08 06:14, twm wrote: B*lls**t! You certainly CAN do what is shown in the video IF you have and follow the instructions provided. To avoid exposure, please send me a PM telling me on what you are basing your assertion and describe EXACTLY what is in the video that CANNOT be done if you have the instructions.
Dick Christian
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Dick Christian Inner circle Northern Virginia (Metro DC) 2619 Posts |
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On 2011-07-07 17:21, matthu wrote: matthu, Put your money where your mouth is. Please send me a PM and tell me EXACTLY what "important part of the presentation" has been omitted from the video.
Dick Christian
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twm Regular user of wine. 109 Posts |
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On 2011-07-08 08:10, Dick Christian wrote: I would be delighted to have a reasoned calm discussion with anyone who genuinely wanted to resolve the issue, but I have no desire to PM someone whose mind is made up. I fear that a discussion is not possible with such a person. |
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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On 2011-07-08 06:14, twm wrote: Devin clearly did (in the video). I don't know if that counts for something.
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Rebecca_Harris Veteran user 361 Posts |
Oh what is the need for all these arguements? This whole thing just sounds like playground squabbles to me. I've not got this yet so can't comment on the method (although it is firmly on my shopping list) but we know some people like this and some don't. Not everything is going to suit everyone, if this doesn't suit you then that's fine but is there really any need for all this fuss?
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twm Regular user of wine. 109 Posts |
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On 2011-07-08 08:44, DekEl wrote: That's not my understanding of the video. My understanding is that there was another episode that concerned colours that is not in the video, and that makes a great deal of difference. |
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matthu Regular user UK 170 Posts |
In the video, only a SINGLE 'CALL' is shown. That is a fact.
There is no hint of a SECOND CALL and certainly no hint of a THIRD CALL. Devin Knight himself then says: "NO THIRD CALL is needed in my NEW method. To the audience you do only one call of two colors!" So the implication is that TWO CALLS are needed (to the audience) in the NEW METHOD (and by inference THREE in the OLD). And there is still a possibility that THREE may be required to one of more of the PARTICIPANTS on the stage even in the NEW METHOD (depending on the outcome of the SECOND CALL). (Fortunately nobody who has not bought this will be able to reverse engineer the method.) You will almost always be able to find members of the audience that you can fully determine after TWO CALLS (although this cannot be 100%). |
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Dick Christian Inner circle Northern Virginia (Metro DC) 2619 Posts |
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On 2011-07-08 08:29, twm wrote: Let me be perfectly clear. My comments have nothing to do with whether individuals think the effect is good, bad or indifferent or whether or not they intend to purchase it. That is up to each person to decide for him/herself. Nor do I have a quarrel with others who post reviews of FOUR TOLD or any other effect. A review is simply an expression of one person's opinion -- nothing more and nothing less -- and opinions are like rectums . . . everybody has one and they're entitled to it. I have no financial interest in this or any of Devin's effects, so whether or not one purchases it is no concern of mine (except to the extent that I wish I had the only copy so I wouldn't have to be concerned with someone diminishing its value by an inept performance). My argument is with those who make assertions that are simply untrue; i.e., that an element essential to the performance of the effect has been omitted (either intentionally or unintentionally) from Devin's demo/promo video. If we are talking about the initial demo/promo video that Devin posted attendant to his initial announcement of the release of FOUR TOLD (before his subsequent improvements to the initial effect) -- which BTW is the only video I've watched -- I contend that NOTHING is omitted from the performance. He names 3 of the 5 symbols and THEN tells the 4 participants to close their eyes if the symbol they chose was mentioned, he then named 2 of the 5 colors and THEN told the participants to close their eyes if either of the colors named was the color of the symbol they chose. At that point -- i.e., after 2 calls, the exact procedure described in the instructions for the effect -- he was able to correctly identify the symbol chosen by each of the four participants. Accordingly, I again ask twm and matthu -- both of whom assert that something has been omitted from the video -- to put up or shut up and tell me (by PM to preclude exposure of method) EXACTLY what it is that they believe has been omitted. If, in fact, they are correct and some critical element HAS been omitted I will be happy to post a public apology for disparaging them. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less whether or not they like the effect. I just feel that if they are going to accuse Devin of dishonest or misleading advertising they should be prepared to offer evidence in support of that accusation.
Dick Christian
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Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1566 Posts |
Actually, opinions are like rectums, everyone has one, and most of them stink.
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matthu Regular user UK 170 Posts |
Dick,
I have no wish to continue this argument if you or I have made a genuine mistake. These are the videos that Devin made available on this thread: Quote:
On 2011-06-19 17:13, Devin Knight wrote: Now on these videos, at 40 secs the performer makes the first call. At 60 secs he hands cards out. Nowhere are colours mentioned. Please correct me if I am wrong, or perhaps acknowledge that I am right. |
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twm Regular user of wine. 109 Posts |
I'm not sure if we are watching the same video. The one I'm watching is the one that Devin himself pointed us to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPNFIrqex94 The bit I don't see in that the video is the part you describe in the following words: 'he then named 2 of the 5 colors and THEN told the participants to close their eyes if either of the colors named was the color of the symbol they chose. At that point -- i.e., after 2 calls,... ' I don't see that in the video. I only see one call, referencing shapes. Have I missed something? |
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Devin Knight V.I.P. 2493 Posts |
The ad PLAINLY states that you received impressions of colors and shapes. To save time the video doesn't show the color call, but the ad states it is there. That ad gives a full and accurate description of the effect if you use the first method. IN the second method, the actual symbols are not called.
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matthu Regular user UK 170 Posts |
Thanks for clarifying that, Devin.
We were discussing whether the video gives a fair impression of the effect on the audience. You have skipped an important element to save time. That's okay - had this been mentioned. It has been, now. Since that was the "final video" I assume that Dick will now also acknowledge that an important element has been omitted from the final video. I hope no-one who bought the effect was misled by the video - that would have been unfortunate. All the best. |
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RNK Inner circle 7491 Posts |
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On 2011-07-08 12:55, matthu wrote: Don't think that's the case-I havn't read much complaining about it for those who have it. A lot of promo videos don't show the WHOLE effect- as a matter of fact- at least Devin's show part of the routine and by reading the advertisement for the effect- one can deduce how the whole routine plays out- which happens to be a small miracle in itself! RNK
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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On 2011-07-08 08:58, twm wrote: There may have been an added call, (to conceal the method), but that doesn't mean that you can't do what is shown in the video, or what it claims.
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matthu Regular user UK 170 Posts |
DekEl
If it is necessary to omit one or more of the calls (in order to conceal the method) you appear to be suggesting that it may be possible to reverse engineer the method. I have been assured that this is not possible without buying the effect. |
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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On 2011-07-08 13:28, matthu wrote: Of course it's possible to re-engineer the method; I did it. But it is not possible for spectators to do so given the right presentation.
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matthu Regular user UK 170 Posts |
But - the right presentation is surely the one to put on the video, is it not?
If you do that, then it should not be possible to reverse engineer the method. And in any case, Devin has said he omitted the additional call(s) to save time, not to conceal the method. |
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Godzilla Inner circle Tied & Untied Witches on 5316 Posts |
If anybody is looking for this,they have been popping up on "Let's Make A deal" under tricks lately. Been a few . One for $23.00 now !
"If you watch Godzilla backwards, it's about a big ass lizard who helps rebuild a half burnt-down city, then moonwalks back into the ocean"
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
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On 2011-07-08 13:47, Godzilla wrote: Matthu $23 = £14. Buy the darn thing. Forget the video, you'll love the effect. Perform it to people that you don't know and they'll love it too. If you really don't like it; a) at least your arguement will have some credibility because you purchased the effect. b) Sell it to someone else on The Café website. Derek PS I couldn't find a link to your website in your profile :-( Do you do shows? Do you have a website? if you have I'd like to check it out. Cheers. |
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