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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
No, I maintain my position.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I believe that Tank Abbott may prefer a 24 hour holding cell to amputation. But you'd have to ask him.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
And I'm sure he'd prefer being left alone to being locked up.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2011-06-19 00:05, gdw wrote: I am quite sure that if he told you he was going to kick your ass, and said he was on his way over now, and if you were not there he would seek you out, and you believed him you would call the police. Again I believe these are terroristsic threats and have consequences.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2011-06-19 00:05, gdw wrote: And I'm sure you'd prefer being left alone to being beat up. Remember, he's the instigator in this hypothetical. By threatening somebody it means you are consenting to the consequences. Or are too crazy to know them. That's a whole 'nother issue.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
And we still don't consider bigotry a character defect and tolerate selective use of epithets and even racial slurs.
Don't call me a cracker! Don't you know that the saltines don't get near the ritz? yours to the crunch, cookiepus (ie a kook)
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2011-06-19 00:05, gdw wrote: As would most criminals. So what?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
The threat of imminent physical harm is sufficient to establish the crime of assault. No physical contact (i.e. battery) is required.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-06-19 12:24, critter wrote: Yes, but until he actually ACTS there is nothing to cause the consequences. There is no harm done to me by someone uttering words.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2011-06-19 15:41, mastermindreader wrote: I'm not arguing what is or is not considered a crime under the letter of law, but rather what one has any right to do in response to said "crime."
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2011-06-19 15:41, mastermindreader wrote: This is true. A 'reasonable apprehension' is what is called for. Battery, is a second crime.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2011-06-19 15:52, gdw wrote: Wait... weren't you all up in arms a few months ago about the police supposedly having no obligation to protect? And now you're offended at the thought of them acting to protect?
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
No Critter, I have no problem with acting to protect. That would entail using only the force that is necessary. Locking someone up before they did anything would prevent it, but it is more than is necessary as a response to just words.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
What should they do? Call him up and ask him really nice to please be good?
I'm talking about 24 hours in a holding cell, not guantanamo bay. I'm also talking about him specifically stating what he intends to do, not just calling you a name, but stating a specific intent to cause you bodily harm. The situation seems pretty clear to me. If you'd rather wait until he's already pounding you into next week then that's your business.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
I understand that you are talking about a 24 hr cooling off. It's not a difference in degree, but in kind.
I object to the principle of locking someone up for what they say, not how long they are locked up, or under what conditions. As for stating specifically what one intends to do, how many here have uttered the words "I'm going to kill you" in jest, or anger with no real intent to do so? Should you have been locked up to cool off? Does someone who has real intent just have to claim they were joking to avoid a "cooling off" period?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
"I'm on my way to your house to **** you up." "I will find you and kill you."
Yup, that's hilarious. Like I said, I think we're just going to be disagreeing on this one and that's that.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
About as funny as "I'm going to kill you" is.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Sorry to hear that you think racially tinged threats and and/or harassment are protected forms of speech. They are not. The right of "free speech' means that the government cannot censor you for comments about the government. It has nothing to do with threatening or harassing private individuals.
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2011-06-18 19:48, critter wrote: I think INTIMIDATION is the factor to consider.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2011-06-19 15:52, gdw wrote: "said crime" has a label: MENACING.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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