On 2011-06-22 15:59, Carrie Sue wrote:
Again, there is a distinct difference between Biblical, disciplined discipline (spanking) and beating.

The first does not produce emotional problems. The second does.

I'm sorry for you.

On 2011-06-22 13:31, abc wrote:

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On 2011-06-22 13:09, gdw wrote:
Carrie, something does not have to cause pain to be violent. You did not explicitly say it does, but it would seem that was, at least partially, implied when you wrote "There was no anger, no harsh words, and virtually no pain to the child. This was not violence."

Violence includes the use of physical force to violate or intimidate.

You really think the kid wasn't intimidated in that moment?

Also, if you don't think it's violating, try spanking an adult next time they don't do something you ask. Then ask them if they felt it was a violation.

so time outs are better?
Stay here until you calm down and then we can talk???
And the kid doesn't move because he doesn't feel intimidated. Give me a break. You're full of it.
Violence is not the only intimidation but until you don't see that, this argument is useless and you won't see it because it does not support your preconceived ideas.

On 2011-06-22 22:12, magicfish wrote:
Children= empathy? Bwaaahahahahaha....... Right. Hey Gdw, talk to us when you have a kid..... Or a date.

On 2011-06-22 13:09, gdw wrote:
Carrie, something does not have to cause pain to be violent. You did not explicitly say it does, but it would seem that was, at least partially, implied when you wrote "There was no anger, no harsh words, and virtually no pain to the child. This was not violence."

Violence includes the use of physical force to violate or intimidate.

You really think the kid wasn't intimidated in that moment?

Also, if you don't think it's violating, try spanking an adult next time they don't do something you ask. Then ask them if they felt it was a violation.

On 2011-06-22 22:12, magicfish wrote:
Children= empathy? Bwaaahahahahaha....... Right. Hey Gdw, talk to us when you have a kid..... Or a date.

On 2011-06-22 23:05, acesover wrote:

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On 2011-06-22 13:09, gdw wrote:
Carrie, something does not have to cause pain to be violent. You did not explicitly say it does, but it would seem that was, at least partially, implied when you wrote "There was no anger, no harsh words, and virtually no pain to the child. This was not violence."

Violence includes the use of physical force to violate or intimidate.

You really think the kid wasn't intimidated in that moment?

Also, if you don't think it's violating, try spanking an adult next time they don't do something you ask. Then ask them if they felt it was a violation.

Come on gdw, one does not spank adults.
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On 2011-06-22 23:09, gdw wrote:
Ok then. Any who, just like that, you don't have to look far to see the absurdity of statements like "Hey Gdw, talk to us when you have a kid..... Or a date."

On 2011-06-22 23:42, gdw wrote:
I can certainly see a difference between what many consider spanking, and beating, but both still involve hitting, and that is where my objection lies.

On 2011-06-22 14:39, George Ledo wrote:
I have some rather strong opinions about this topic, so I think I'll just back out quietly. Except for one comment...

I don't have kids, but I've had any number of people working for me over the years, I was in the military, I've worked with volunteers, I've led large architectural and theme-park projects, and I've taught college and adult classes. And I've found exactly the same situation every time: somebody is always going to end up training the others. With employees, it's either I train them or they train me. With a class or a shop crew, it's either I run it or they run it. Even with our cats right now: either they train us to give them a snack every time they ask for one, or they don't.

For me, it's not about power. It's about job descriptions. Parents have job descriptions and kids have job descriptions. My parents taught me the difference very early.

On 2011-06-23 00:06, acesover wrote:

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On 2011-06-22 23:42, gdw wrote:
I can certainly see a difference between what many consider spanking, and beating, but both still involve hitting, and that is where my objection lies.

There is where our differences lie. I do not believe that the word "hitting" would be used in defining spanking.

Hitting conjures a different image in the mind than spanking as does beating. If I "hit" a child several times I did not spank him or her.

If you think I am wrong try saying in court that you hit a child as opposed to gave them a spanking. If you were on trial would you want to be known as someone who hits their children or gives them a spanking? The words definitely convey different images so please do not say spanking involves hitting. That is just not true as I have said repeatedly hitting invokes a different image completely than spanking. Definitely not interchangable not even close.