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Bookless Test is absolutely dual reality Smile . If you don't think so... cool! It's a trick! It does take a certain type of performer to pull it off, so totally agree it's not for everyone.

This Way Up. Personally, it's my most valued routine/method/principle. Obviously there is 'something', but it's that 'something' where I believe the value lies. This is the sort of routine I truly believe when you understand it, you will start using it right away after tailoring the routine to suit your wants and needs. Exciting!

You're investing in a method and routine that has been developed to a professional standard. If you don't perform in front of audiences?... do you know what, I believe you will still get a lot from the book. It is a real world routine. It is completely versatile and you will find the perfect way to utilise it.

At the end of the day, I don't see the point in people getting upset over what is essentially magic tricks/mentalism routines. I do feel my thinking alone on this principle warrants the price tag never mind the addition of Paul's thinking on top of that! If you don't think it is worth the price... don't buy it! That is ok! You don't need to own ever single method!! Who wants us all to be performing the same stuff anyway?

I have absolute respect for all of you as thinkers, performers and friends, so at the very least it should get your creative juices flowing and I hope it encourages you to create a method 100 times better than anything I could come up with! Rock and roll!!

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This is a tempting purchase, but for some reason I am just not convinced.
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On 2011-06-21 12:33, caycemindreader wrote:
I simply don't understand why Colin and Paul don't explain the method they use in their adverts?
Surely it would make it a much more sensible purchase and justify the cost?
You lot kill me. C


If they explained the method in the ad, what would be the point of buying the book?
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Still an instant stooge. The person on stage is aware of the 'dual reality' of the effect and it is hoped that they play along and the mini effect is a sweetner for them.


Nope. From where the on-stage spectator is standing they see you displaying certain open body language, leading them to think that the audience at large is experiencing the same effect as they are.
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On 2011-06-21 12:33, caycemindreader wrote:
I simply don't understand why Colin and Paul don't explain the method they use in their adverts?
Surely it would make it a much more sensible purchase and justify the cost?
You lot kill me. C


Clearly this book is not for you. Simply don't purchase it and you will be out nothing. Colin's DVD series was spectacular. I know less about Paul but based on other comments I believe this is something that appears to have merit. I have ordered a copy. I see nothing wrong with limiting the number of books and putting a cost on the book to limit it to serious performers and hobbyist.
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On 2011-06-21 12:15, r1z08 wrote:
RNK,

I've read the ad and I don't see where it says that you can read someone's thoughts without anything or nothing. In fact, those words are not even listed in the ad. Of course there's something going on, but why would they tell you in the advertisement? I certainly wouldn't buy anything that gives away the method in the ad. *cough* nomad pad *cough*

I am just trying to understand your disappointment.

-rob


They are listed- read it again- or here- I will post the part of the add for you:

The effects in 'This Way Up' are even more amazing when you realise that there is:

• No writing down
• No pre-show
• No secret writing
• No fishing
• No guesswork
• No instant stooging
• No cueing



Now maybe you CAN SEE my disaqppointment as the add DOES SAY these things!
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So John- you think after reading this book- you will be able to read someone's thoughts without doing ANYTHING-NOTHING?

Just asking- not being rude.

Bob


In the eyes of the audience ... YES! See Devin's new product Four Told.

John


Have It John- not to be rude- but there IS still somethings that HAS to be done to accomplish even this great mental miracle!

Sorry! Real Mind reading does NOT exist! Why don't you prove that it does?


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Sounds great. The effect in there isn't impossible as a few members told and while I was reading the description I came up with a solution.

Good drama in the effect, I like it !

Congratulations Paul and Colin. Sounds like a real winner concept.
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On 2011-06-21 13:06, brehaut wrote:
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On 2011-06-21 12:33, caycemindreader wrote:
I simply don't understand why Colin and Paul don't explain the method they use in their adverts?
Surely it would make it a much more sensible purchase and justify the cost?
You lot kill me. C


Clearly this book is not for you. Simply don't purchase it and you will be out nothing.


Apologies if my really obvious sarcasm wasn't really obvious enough. C
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On 2011-06-21 09:13, RNK wrote:
So John- you think after reading this book- you will be able to read someone's thoughts without doing ANYTHING-NOTHING?

Just asking- not being rude.

Bob


In the eyes of the audience ... YES! See Devin's new product Four Told.

John


Have It John- not to be rude- but there IS still somethings that HAS to be done to accomplish even this great mental miracle!

Sorry! Real Mind reading does NOT exist! Why don't you prove that it does?


RNK


Please let me correct my grammer- "somethings that HAVE to be done"
Thank You

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Bookless Test is absolutely dual reality . If you don't think so... cool! It's a trick! It does take a certain type of performer to pull it off, so totally agree it's not for everyone.

Its only dual reality if you include effects where the dual nature of the effect is blatantly obvious to the participant. For me, that is instant stooging - but I agree that it could be considered imperfect dual reality. Whatever.

On the subject of 'This Way Up' good luck to you both. The advert is so devoid of information that could help form a decision to purchase that thos that buy are buying on the strength of your respective reputations. Unlike Euan, I don't think any sensible person would say that 'everything' any performer does is gold... that's not how talent gets spread about. Having said that, Colin and Paul are well above average in terms of the matieral they put out and I doubt they would seek to tarnish their reputations by releasing something sub-standard at this price. That said - buying this is clearly a punt - so the criticism and questionign doesn't surprise me and I asume that Colin and Paul aren't surprised by it either.
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Bookless Test is absolutely dual reality . If you don't think so... cool! It's a trick! It does take a certain type of performer to pull it off, so totally agree it's not for everyone.

Its only dual reality if you include effects where the dual nature of the effect is blatantly obvious to the participant. For me, that is instant stooging - but I agree that it could be considered imperfect dual reality. Whatever.

On the subject of 'This Way Up' good luck to you both. The advert is so devoid of information that could help form a decision to purchase that thos that buy are buying on the strength of your respective reputations. Unlike Euan, I don't think any sensible person would say that 'everything' any performer does is gold... that's not how talent gets spread about. Having said that, Colin and Paul are well above average in terms of the matieral they put out and I doubt they would seek to tarnish their reputations by releasing something sub-standard at this price. That said - buying this is clearly a punt - so the criticism and questionign doesn't surprise me and I asume that Colin and Paul aren't surprised by it either.


Very nicely put!

RNK
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On 2011-06-21 12:08, johncesta wrote:
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On 2011-06-21 09:13, RNK wrote:
So John- you think after reading this book- you will be able to read someone's thoughts without doing ANYTHING-NOTHING?

Just asking- not being rude.

Bob


In the eyes of the audience ... YES! See Devin's new product Four Told.

John


Have It John- not to be rude- but there IS still somethings that HAS to be done to accomplish even this great mental miracle!

Sorry! Real Mind reading does NOT exist! Why don't you prove that it does?


RNK


Well, I don't think you've seen me say that mind reading doesn't exist, that comes from you. So I ask you to prove your assertion. Let's not be babies, "you prove it does - nanana"

There are plenty of Saints that have many gifts of bilocation, prophecy, reading hearts, healing bodies and souls. Padre Pio was one and there is plenty of proof.

There are thousands of testimonies in the Our Lady of Grace Friary about their loved ones pronounced hopelessly ill by their doctors and were miraculusly cured by Padre Pios prayers. He could read minds too. Go ahead read about him.

There are many more St. Therese, the Little Flower is another one. Do I beleive they can do or have done these things? Most certainly do, there's too much documentation that says they have done it.

So, while your telling us hands down there is no such thing as "real mind reading" I simply ask, how do you know? That's all.

Take a regular person that is talented in the area of psychology and body language and other personal persuasion talents. They can get someone to do things they would not normally do. Could be mind reading huh? Would you stake your life that it's not?

Do I think Paul and Colin can read minds ... I don't know.

Don't be so sure you know what you're espousing brother.

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If I can't really read minds... I really make it look like I can!

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On 2011-06-21 13:30, Davit Sicseek wrote:

The advert is so devoid of information that could help form a decision to purchase that thos that buy are buying on the strength of your respective reputations. ... That said - buying this is clearly a punt - so the criticism and questioning doesn't surprise me and I assume that Colin and Paul aren't surprised by it either.


This is the sensible and level-headed logic which should be applied to all similar situations - responding with anger at being "deceived" or whatever is simply not helpful, useful or relevant.

Both Colin and Paul have excellent reputations. Whether you consider them to be good enough to gamble this much money on is up to you.
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There have been a number of threads recently about high priced limited edition effects (i.e. Whisper, Jeremy Weiss' ACAAN effect, the Berglass Effect, this book, etc). If you cut through everything, it seems certain people are just upset that they can't get an effect because it is out of their price range or it is limited in quanitity. Most people get upset when they spend money and it turns out they feel they were taken advantage of. With these threads almost NO ONE who has actually purchased one of these effects has complained. The only complaints are from those who speculate on the method or angered about the price. These indviduals have alleged all sort of horrible things without ever purchasing the product. I don't know---it did not make me mad that the Dallas Mavericks ordered one bottle of Ace of Spades Champagne for $90,000. Do I think its worth it---no. But I didn't buy it so why do I care?
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There have been a number of threads recently about high priced limited edition effects (i.e. Whisper, Jeremy Weiss' ACAAN effect, the Berglass Effect, this book, etc). If you cut through everything, it seems certain people are just upset that they can't get an effect because it is out of their price range or it is limited in quanitity. Most people get upset when they spend money and it turns out they feel they were taken advantage of. With these threads almost NO ONE who has actually purchased one of these effects has complained. The only complaints are from those who speculate on the method or angered about the price. These indviduals have alleged all sort of horrible things without ever purchasing the product. I don't know---it did not make me mad that the Dallas Mavericks ordered one bottle of Ace of Spades Champagne for $90,000. Do I think its worth it---no. But I didn't buy it so why do I care?


Amen to that!
:applause:

Personally I believe Paul and Colin would never risk their reputation by putting out garbage!
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Good to come online and see that 'This Way Up' now has a product page and is available for pre-order... sounds interesting, well my orders in.
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I received the email and I read the copy a few times.
I sweat a little and clickedvthe buy button.
Why? I believe it's worth it. Every other effect you
buy has a method. Even if it was real mind reading
there would also be a method.

If you want powerful mind reading material,
purchase from writers who produce brilliant products.
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There have been a number of threads recently about high priced limited edition effects (i.e. Whisper, Jeremy Weiss' ACAAN effect, the Berglass Effect, this book, etc). If you cut through everything, it seems certain people are just upset that they can't get an effect because it is out of their price range or it is limited in quanitity. Most people get upset when they spend money and it turns out they feel they were taken advantage of. With these threads almost NO ONE who has actually purchased one of these effects has complained. The only complaints are from those who speculate on the method or angered about the price. These indviduals have alleged all sort of horrible things without ever purchasing the product. I don't know---it did not make me mad that the Dallas Mavericks ordered one bottle of Ace of Spades Champagne for $90,000. Do I think its worth it---no. But I didn't buy it so why do I care?


I'm afraid I have a lot to disagree with here - or at least things you are missing.

You are correct that certain people are upset because they can't obtain the secret for oe reason or another. But there are other valid reasons raise a voice of dissapproval. The way that some products are marketed means that it is very difficult for someone to complain about what they have recieved not to mention difficult to complain in public. When an advert contains no significant information for the product to live up to - how can you complain that it is not as described? Similarly, if you simply do not feel that the product was value for money, workable or otherwise didn't live up to expectations created by the marketing process - you are in the position of complaining about a product that is produced by creator with a reputations and/or endorsements by the creators friends who also have reputations. In short, the onus of responsibility for such a product producing the results expected is almost entirely transferred to the purchaser - who purchases blind!

This is the exact same trick that the self help industry uses - gurus position themselves as conduits of information. They have amazing endorsements from others in the industry that also publish, as well as actual customers - but should the product not deliver - that is the fault of the buyer. With high cost mentalism - this problem is further compounded by the high levels of expectation that any legitimate buyer holds. They will be desperate to find use and value in their purchase for several hundred dollars. There are no doubt high cost products that in every sensible measure deliver less value to the consumer than products costing less than $20.

This type of marketing actually distorts the market to the detriment of the buyer. By reducing the information available to the purchaser before purchase - whether than be through tangiable descriptions, video demos and transparent review processes the buyer has inreasingly imperfect information to inform their buying decisions. Similarly, the pressures that cartel marking exert on the community, as well increased willingness to find satisfaction from the buyers as mentioned above reduces the level of objective information that seeps back to the community post-purchase.

The decision to purchase is being reduced to one of reputation alone. You aren't purchasing an effect - you are purchasing a bit of creator X's time. I struggle to think of a creator who has put out more than a few products who hasn't got a dud one. This is a problem. - and what I've described here is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't think its healthy for the art and will continue to raise concerns about it when appropriate.
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