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Congratulations Paul and Colin. I'm sure it will be excellent. I look forward to glowing reviews.

Not connected with the book: It suprises me how certain people on this forum are automatically down on effects which use DR, P**-S*** or I****** S****es.

You don't like DR because you worry it will expose the method when spectators talk amongst each other?
You don't like P**-S*** or I****** S****es because you think that's cheating somehow?

Well you must have very one-dimensional shows which look a lot like magic, but then again, I suppose if you only ever perform for your school-friends, teachers and parents or your mates down the pub and don't actually have a s***, that doesn't really matter to you.

Reg

p.s. Thanks to Paul for reviewing my latest $10 offering in your newsletter.
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On 2011-06-21 15:55, quicknotist wrote:
p.s. Thanks to Paul for reviewing my latest $10 offering in your newsletter.


The cartel in action Smile

I hope you don't think I'm anti DR. (True) DR without preshow is one of my favourite things.
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On 2011-06-21 15:42, Davit Sicseek wrote:

if you simply do not feel that the product was value for money, workable or otherwise didn't live up to expectations created by the marketing process - you are in the position of complaining about a product that is produced by creator with a reputations and/or endorsements by the creators friends who also have reputations. In short, the onus of responsibility for such a product producing the results expected is almost entirely transferred to the purchaser - who purchases blind!

Let's not forget about having to deal with sycophants who see a negative comment as their cue to come rushing to a creator's defense in a sad attempt to ingratiate themselves.
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On 2011-06-21 15:55, quicknotist wrote:
p.s. Thanks to Paul for reviewing my latest $10 offering in your newsletter.


The cartel in action Smile



I wish...
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On 2011-06-21 15:06, brehaut wrote:
There have been a number of threads recently about high priced limited edition effects (i.e. Whisper, Jeremy Weiss' ACAAN effect, the Berglass Effect, this book, etc). If you cut through everything, it seems certain people are just upset that they can't get an effect because it is out of their price range or it is limited in quanitity. Most people get upset when they spend money and it turns out they feel they were taken advantage of. With these threads almost NO ONE who has actually purchased one of these effects has complained. The only complaints are from those who speculate on the method or angered about the price. These indviduals have alleged all sort of horrible things without ever purchasing the product. I don't know---it did not make me mad that the Dallas Mavericks ordered one bottle of Ace of Spades Champagne for $90,000. Do I think its worth it---no. But I didn't buy it so why do I care?


I think you've -- slightly -- hit the nail on the head. No matter what the product, being human, I think a lot of us instinctively want the NEXT BIG THING -- whether it suits our performance or not. Perhaps, we think to ourselves, there might be that small kernel of info stored inside that will rocket us to where we hope to be. Sadly, that's hardly ever the truth -- but -- if it was worth it to the creator, and it's worth it to the actual purchaser, then the opinion of the nay-sayer who doesn't own the product isn't worth...well...a penny.

It's one of the hard facts of magic -- someone is always going to have something better and more mind-baffling than you (and his publicity is also going to have that shade of shine brighter than yours). But complaining about the price and what it might be, rather than solely focusing on your own performance, will often lead to undue distress and, most importantly, failure.
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On 2011-06-21 09:00, Thomas Cooper wrote:
I simply do not trust the advertising here. The words "no instant stooging" were also used by Colin to describe his book test, yet that was almost exactly what I would describe as instant stooging. If I meet Colin maybe he will perform the effect on me myself, I doubt it, as it seems very much like a DR effect and that would reveal the method in all likelihood.

I've not doubt you are reading this Colin, and if you feel hurt by me doubting you then I'm sorry. But in my defence you are trying to sell a book which claims to produce real mind reading, I think I'd be an idiot if I wasn't so sceptical.

Tom
xx


I agree. The ad turned me off. What isn't said is way too big here. Unless.. they did find a way to read minds, and in that case kudos guys.

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And the price is totally reasonable. I would pay 10 times more if it goes into my show.
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I agree that a high ticket price item like this should be bought in a different way to the latest 10$ curio ebook - it shouldn't be an impulse purchase, that's probably the point of the high price. If I were planning on getting this (and I'm not in case my partner is reading) and I had any questions or doubts about it, I think I would probably just send Colin Mcleod or Paul Brooks an email and buy or not on the basis of that. £200 is fair money if something goes in my set, but I want to be sure it will be going in before I spend, and I would never trust an advert to inform me on that front. Remember when we used to cruise into Davenports, bum around and ask what's new and what's worth it? C
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Totally agree dudes! This is an investment. The problem with marketing is revealing enough about the routine so you understand what is going to be getting performed, but holding enough back so it's not so transparent what it actually is you're doing! It's a difficult line to tread (I find anyway!), but as ever, always happy to answer any questions I can! So private message me with thoughts or concerns.

Always happy to help!

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Is dual reality that thing where you are born with both sets of genitalia?
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Nah, it's that drug that let's you experience it from on top and on bottom at the same time.
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I thought it was when you had more than one home.
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Dual reality is when you believe your own hype...
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Frankly, as soon as I saw the price tag on this, my instant thought was Whisper by Ken Dyne. Virtually the same price, pre-ordered at a similar limited edition amount. I'm beginning to wonder if this is becoming a trend. It's going to be a d*** expensive one if it catches on. Smile

Joking aside, the next thing I thought was, "Wow this sounds like gold." Two highly reputable creators creating a thought reading technique that doesn't involve stooges, writing, preshow, etc.

Best of luck chaps, when it's released I may buy it. Smile
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No. That's a very special kind of disappearing act. One where the performer disappears up himself.

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Dual reality is a new slang term for making a number 2.
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Dual reality is a new slang term for making a number 2.


LOL.. Sadly I have to admit it is becoming true.
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I am glad this book cost $215 so all these yahoos will not be able to buy it. If you do not know the work of Paul and Colin then don't even try to post in this thread.

A Doctor, lawyer, consultant or even the computer Geek Squad charges $200.00 an hour for their professional consulations service knowledge.

You want professional work here you will have it. You want a cheap trick go to penguin magic.

Think about it.
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RNK,

I've read the ad and I don't see where it says that you can read someone's thoughts without anything or nothing. In fact, those words are not even listed in the ad. Of course there's something going on, but why would they tell you in the advertisement? I certainly wouldn't buy anything that gives away the method in the ad. *cough* nomad pad *cough*

I am just trying to understand your disappointment.

-rob


They are listed- read it again- or here- I will post the part of the add for you:

The effects in 'This Way Up' are even more amazing when you realise that there is:

• No writing down
• No pre-show
• No secret writing
• No fishing
• No guesswork
• No instant stooging
• No cueing



Now maybe you CAN SEE my disaqppointment as the add DOES SAY these things!


The ad simply explains what it is not, but are you expecting them to tell you the method in the ad? Also, all because you don't know another way to achieve the desired outcome without the use of the above methods doesn't mean that this is the real deal. Rick Maue released his brilliant "Imagine" routine a few years ago and it doesn't rely on any of the above methods either. It's also impromptu and looks very real when presented properly.

Just keep in mind that the limits of our understanding is not the limit of all there is to understand.

-rob
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On 2011-06-21 21:19, Joaquin wrote:
I am glad this book cost $215 so all these yahoos will not be able to buy it. If you do not know the work of Paul and Colin then don't even try to post in this thread.

A Doctor, lawyer, consultant or even the computer Geek Squad charges $200.00 an hour for their professional consulations service knowledge.

You want professional work here you will have it. You want a cheap trick go to penguin magic.

Think about it.


Joaquin is right. What other art or profession could one get someone near the top of their profession to give out their "secret" for $200? It costs a few thousand to play in a pro am golf tournament with a pro for one day.$200 will buy you 1\10 of an ounce of gold. This sounds like a bargin when put in prospective
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