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Looch... Probably. But people would watch it, try to work it out and not buy it...

... I'm too smart for that ;-) .

I'm not saying it's the most fooling routine, it's not the sort of thing you do on Penn and Teller for example, but it's reliable and creates the desired effect.

If that's the effect you desire, it's for you!
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I don't think its about "fooling" anyone mate or being "smart" Im thinking in terms of generating as much interest and sales for your project, A clip of it being used...maybe even just reactions from participants would be good! In hindsight I wish I had had a clip for when AREA was released.
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On 2011-06-22 05:07, Paul Brook wrote:
OK, now to the topic at hand.

Of course, there is some 'give' in the effect. But you have to buy the book to know what that is. Is it as clean as described. Yes it is. Will we tell you the method in the advertising, no we will not.

Regarding the price. This is an effect that has always been in my close-up sets. Other things have come and gone, but this has always remained over the years. It is a staple in my close-up work, and will remain to be for years to come. The reason it has such longevity is because it gets some of the strongest reactions that I have ever seen for ANY material. When you consider that this effect plays as described in the ad copy, and that is how all members of the group perceive it (that's right the method does not rely on DR) why wouldn't they react that way? Is such a strong reaction worth the full price of the book, you bet it is. Yet I only ask for half of that price. Colin asks for the other half, because what he has created with the method is an amazing performance piece that is for stage, what my version is for close-up.

Regarding reviews, there are already some reviews of the material on the website http://www.paulbrook.co.uk/heknows/thiswayup.htm at the bottom of the page. We have a few more professional reviews coming soon, possibly in the new week. Hopefully, these reviews will help some people to realise that we are not selling the proverbial 'magic beans'.

I hope that helps to clear a few things up?

Cheers,

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Well said---my order is already in
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Well, I don't think you've seen me say that mind reading doesn't exist, that comes from you. So I ask you to prove your assertion. Let's not be babies, "you prove it does - nanana"

There are plenty of Saints that have many gifts of bilocation, prophecy, reading hearts, healing bodies and souls. Padre Pio was one and there is plenty of proof.

There are thousands of testimonies in the Our Lady of Grace Friary about their loved ones pronounced hopelessly ill by their doctors and were miraculusly cured by Padre Pios prayers. He could read minds too. Go ahead read about him.

There are many more St. Therese, the Little Flower is another one. Do I beleive they can do or have done these things? Most certainly do, there's too much documentation that says they have done it.

So, while your telling us hands down there is no such thing as "real mind reading" I simply ask, how do you know? That's all.

Take a regular person that is talented in the area of psychology and body language and other personal persuasion talents. They can get someone to do things they would not normally do. Could be mind reading huh? Would you stake your life that it's not?

Do I think Paul and Colin can read minds ... I don't know.

Don't be so sure you know what you're espousing brother.

Your friend

John
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My Friend John! Very inspiring post as I am a firm believer myself. Though, with that said my brother, I will gaurantee you that they cannot read minds. OK- do I have proof- no. Though, if they could- they probably be world known at this point and it would be DOCUMENTED- just as the people you mentioned in your post are- If you want to spend $215 and think you are going to be taught how to read minds without ANY moves and aids- then go for it brother. To each his own. My whole thing with this book is the advertising- it is misleading. Again- Colin and Paul- I truly respect both of your work and am grateful that you are releasing it to the community, but- (the big but! LOL) to say that NOTHING is written or done and you can divine one's thoughts- not true. Once you get the book John, MAYBE you can prove me wrong!

Your Friend- RNK
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On 2011-06-22 07:57, Colin wrote:
Looch... Probably. But people would watch it, try to work it out and not buy it...

Many will try to work it out. Some will succeed but, if the material is clever enough to be worth its money, I reckon most people WON'T and this thread may just vanish in a puff of smoke (a bonus effect).

I have nothing bad to say about either Mr. McLeod or Mr. Brook...yet. Smile I just hope Kennedy isn't being a bad influence on them. Smile I posted a rave review for "Opening Minds" when it was released and I think Paul Brook's books, such as "The Gift" and "On Mephisto's Shoulder" are well worth their price. The $215 question is: "Is 'This Way Up' worth three and a half times the price of 'On Mephisto's Shoulder'?"

Speaking of working things out, I bought "On Mephisto's Shoulder" mainly for Paul's "Serial, Killer!" effect AFTER HAVING WATCHED THE VIDEO DEMO and being baffled. In other words, THE VIDEO SOLD ME. As soon as I hit the "confirm purchase" button, however, a method dawned on me and I feared I had just tossed my money out the window. When the book arrived, I was relieved to find that a different method was used. Maybe one day I'll share my solution. I'm thinking of giving it the catchy name "Not Paul Brook's 'Serial, Killer!'."
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They are not claiming to be able to read minds. They are claiming to demonstrate an effect to an audience that allows you to reveal some specific information.

And obviously, if they could really read minds, they wouldn't be in mentalism, and they wouldn't be selling their secrets for $215.

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A lot of great post here- just wanted to address a few things:

1. Steve- No Cueing- with the effects you mentioned- you are cueing the spectator to do something- either by- well I will not expose those things, those of you who have the effects mentioned in Steve's post know what they are.

2. You are all right when you say that everybody wants the "NEXT BIG THING" and a lot are jealous because they my not be able to afford it, so therefore post negative things-

again- I am just disappointed in the MARKETING aspect of the trick that is all. Sure- it's still probably going to be ground breaking and great material from Colin and Paul, though it's not going to teach you how to read minds without doing anything to get the end result.
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On 2011-06-22 08:41, RNK wrote:


Well, I don't think you've seen me say that mind reading doesn't exist, that comes from you. So I ask you to prove your assertion. Let's not be babies, "you prove it does - nanana"

There are plenty of Saints that have many gifts of bilocation, prophecy, reading hearts, healing bodies and souls. Padre Pio was one and there is plenty of proof.

There are thousands of testimonies in the Our Lady of Grace Friary about their loved ones pronounced hopelessly ill by their doctors and were miraculusly cured by Padre Pios prayers. He could read minds too. Go ahead read about him.

There are many more St. Therese, the Little Flower is another one. Do I beleive they can do or have done these things? Most certainly do, there's too much documentation that says they have done it.

So, while your telling us hands down there is no such thing as "real mind reading" I simply ask, how do you know? That's all.

Take a regular person that is talented in the area of psychology and body language and other personal persuasion talents. They can get someone to do things they would not normally do. Could be mind reading huh? Would you stake your life that it's not?

Do I think Paul and Colin can read minds ... I don't know.

Don't be so sure you know what you're espousing brother.

Your friend

John
[/quote]

My Friend John! Very inspiring post as I am a firm believer myself. Though, with that said my brother, I will gaurantee you that they cannot read minds. OK- do I have proof- no. Though, if they could- they probably be world known at this point and it would be DOCUMENTED- just as the people you mentioned in your post are- If you want to spend $215 and think you are going to be taught how to read minds without ANY moves and aids- then go for it brother. To each his own. My whole thing with this book is the advertising- it is misleading. Again- Colin and Paul- I truly respect both of your work and am grateful that you are releasing it to the community, but- (the big but! LOL) to say that NOTHING is written or done and you can divine one's thoughts- not true. Once you get the book John, MAYBE you can prove me wrong!

Your Friend- RNK
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So be it friend. Keep up the good work! I prefer the little stuff from Mr Brook like the lock routine, the card where you can reveal the name the spec thinks of and especially, one of my all time favorite routines Juxtapose. I think I've spent over $215 for this stuff! Worth it? Not Yes but HECK YES!!

Looking forward to hearing about this new UPLIFTING book Paul put out.

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Colin,

It sounds like you give your helper an awful lot of power in your routine to read minds just as well as you can. You don't feel like this detracts from the audience's perception of your "special" gift?

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So be it friend. Keep up the good work! I prefer the little stuff from Mr Brook like the lock routine, the card where you can reveal the name the spec thinks of and especially, one of my all time favorite routines Juxtapose. I think I've spent over $215 for this stuff! Worth it? Not Yes but HECK YES!!

Looking forward to hearing about this new UPLIFTING book Paul put out.

John
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Thank You for the insight- I will check these out from Paul.

RNK
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Colin,

It sounds like you give your helper an awful lot of power in your routine to read minds just as well as you can. You don't feel like this detracts from the audience's perception of your "special" gift?

Chris


But don't we want to give the power to the spec. We have so much power it makes sense to give them the opportunity to see what it feels like. This is a great thing and always something to seek while performing mentalism.

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Chris I do agree with what you're saying. But when you see how I do it, you'll understand you're still in control. You're seen to facilitate the mind reading rather than let them just be able to do it.

... I've thought about this in way too much detail Smile .

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On 2011-06-22 06:42, Paul Brook wrote:
Then from 83 to 75, surely, this is Trollocide?


He shouldn't have called me old.

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Hi All,

Due to numerous emails and PM's asking the same sorts of questions, the ad copy has had more added to it to help clarify a few things. People have been asking about secret cueing such as in Colin's 'Bookless Test' and some of the ideas that I have released in 'The Book Of Lies'. In response to this here is what has been added:



"Also, there is no cueing as in some of Paul & Colin's routines using dual reality where one spectator sees something that everyone else doesn't. This is not the case here! Everyone is aware of everything that is going on and the process is all done openly."



I hope that helps answer some queries that have been made.

Cheers,

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The first effect sounds like something I created a couple years ago and am about to release. It might not be, of course, the same methodology, but all of the conditions are present in my effect as well. The second effect seems completely baffling and is impossible with my method. The method in my effect is also not new, but something I've improved upon.
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I'm a big fan of both Mr.Brook's and Mr.McLeod's thinking so this was a no-brainer for me.
I, for one, am excited to see what these two evil geniuses have come up with.

-rob
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I think what you are seeing are that people (like myself) are purchasing the effect based upon Mr. Brooks and Mr. Mcleod's reputation more so than the advertising.
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Well I've pre ordered this because 1) mccleod's DVD contained more stuff I've nicked since the release of "Educating Archer" and 2) brooks stuff has always resonated with me, and been worth the admission fee.
The third reason is to add up all the 20-50 dollar 5h1t you've bought this year; good lord! "Bending the real"??? Now there's a waste of cash, not to mention the 2 hours I'll never get back from watching it....
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Random question for Paul, maybe cause I"m tired...and just woke up.

But how much time does this usually take up in your act?
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