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Here is the sad catch...If you buy an effect,no refunds ! (I know you are paying for the secret!)
You paid for an effect and you get what it is.
If there was a guarantee , everyone one would be able to make a better choice on what to get.
I have boxes of worthless junk,and DVD crap , that adds up to what could have bought several good effects!
I do not make reference to this effect,because I do not know !
I would feel better if creators would be willing to at least make some verbal reply on how much this will be worth to you ,and a touch of honesty !
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I just don't understand all the carping. Either you buy it or you don't. Everybody here realizes, I hope, that you're buying a TRICK. It may be a very, very good one, but it's a trick. The fact that you can't figure out the M.O. from the ad doesn't mean the the sellers are trying to get you to believe that it's real mind reading.

The job of the seller is to advertise it as honestly, accurately (and enticingly) as possible. Then you, the purchaser, decide if you think it's a worthwhile investment for your show.

The way I see it, an excellent performer is offering one of his prized routines from his working repertoire for a rather modest sum. It's up to you to decide-buy it or don't. But no whining, please.

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What I find particulary amusing in all these threads is where someone says $200 X 150 copies....... Why is anyone concerned how much the creator makes total?? When someone points that out it sure seems like jealousy. The only issue is whether the purchaser wants to spend his or her $200
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I would like to think that the folk who buy this keep it to themselves. I have several items that I purchased which cost me a fair amount of moola and some that did not, they are an investment (like Effort Effect!) and I do not see the currency in chatting about those items within the community (if that is what bevenz7 is referring to). Maybe he is suggesting that a slew of performers (200) will be using it and then others will be able to work out the method.

The ad states that it is a 're-invention' of a classic method, I think that's enough to indicate to me that it's some off-kilter thinking and that is what you are paying for.

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On 2011-06-21 13:09, RNK wrote:
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On 2011-06-21 12:15, r1z08 wrote:
RNK,

I've read the ad and I don't see where it says that you can read someone's thoughts without anything or nothing. In fact, those words are not even listed in the ad. Of course there's something going on, but why would they tell you in the advertisement? I certainly wouldn't buy anything that gives away the method in the ad. *cough* nomad pad *cough*

I am just trying to understand your disappointment.

-rob


They are listed- read it again- or here- I will post the part of the add for you:

The effects in 'This Way Up' are even more amazing when you realise that there is:

• No writing down
• No pre-show
• No secret writing
• No fishing
• No guesswork
• No instant stooging
• No cueing



Now maybe you CAN SEE my disaqppointment as the add DOES SAY these things!


Hi RNK,

There are a numerous effects that do not use any of those techniques: Devin Knight's "Four Told," Joshua Quinn's "Thought Chunnel," and Outlaw Effects' "Kioku" are just the first few that come to mind. Listing such details of what an effect "does not" use seems to be a fairly common advertising technique and I find such information quite useful when making a purchase. For example, I do not like to do pre-show, nor do I care for instant stooging, so I would very likely be uninterested in an effect that used either. Knowing that, in advance, is very helpful to me.

Regards, Steve
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For me, 2-3 recommendations from WORKING mentalists would do it. Banachek, Mcambrige, Manor, Lustig, Suchard, Goldenberg etc. Those who work 100 shows a year for big audiences (300 people and up). Send them a free copy. Believe me, if the effect does what you claim it does it would go straight into their shows and you'll get your recommendations. You'll sell those babies in no time.
I'll be happy to review it too. And if I use it you'll even get my money.

Nimrod , Israel
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I know both Colin and Paul and I'm looking forward to seeing what they've done here. I wish, though, that this topic was in "Inner Thoughts". (That pesky Google thing, you know.)

Best-

Bob
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I trust Colin
If he thinks that he has to charge a lot for the book then it is good
He didn't send it to me yet but I will I update you all

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I too look forward to hearing from those who purchase this. I have some of both Colin and Paul's work, and I can't think of anything I have purchased from them that I didn't like. And to be fair, I think the price is well and truly justified if it is as powerful as the ad states; and knowing the integrity of these two I'm sure it is. Also, I'm sure the sale of 200 books wouldn't even cover the cost of a 12 month supply of hair gel for Col - so I doubt they're in this to become millionaires.

Keep on keepin' on.

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I'm sure the sale of 200 books wouldn't even cover the cost of a 12 month supply of hair gel for Col -

Hahah too funny.
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I think, those guys are very talented and creative. So I wouldn't be very worried buying it, although it would be useful to know a bit more.
Also waiting for some reviews.
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On 2011-06-22 04:05, Lior wrote:
I trust Colin
If he thinks that he has to charge a lot for the book then it is good
He didn't send it to me yet but I will I update you all

Lior



Lior, I'm hurt, I thought you trusted me too?

It's because we have rival 'Knight's Tour' effects on the market isn't it. Look Lior, we can't let this little jet setting horsey get between us. We mustn't live, one on the white squares, one on the black, but learn to embrace both square colours for the queens that we are!

Something special happened here today, in this post.

I love ya man!!!
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OK, now to the topic at hand.

Of course, there is some 'give' in the effect. But you have to buy the book to know what that is. Is it as clean as described. Yes it is. Will we tell you the method in the advertising, no we will not.

Regarding the price. This is an effect that has always been in my close-up sets. Other things have come and gone, but this has always remained over the years. It is a staple in my close-up work, and will remain to be for years to come. The reason it has such longevity is because it gets some of the strongest reactions that I have ever seen for ANY material. When you consider that this effect plays as described in the ad copy, and that is how all members of the group perceive it (that's right the method does not rely on DR) why wouldn't they react that way? Is such a strong reaction worth the full price of the book, you bet it is. Yet I only ask for half of that price. Colin asks for the other half, because what he has created with the method is an amazing performance piece that is for stage, what my version is for close-up.

Regarding reviews, there are already some reviews of the material on the website http://www.paulbrook.co.uk/heknows/thiswayup.htm at the bottom of the page. We have a few more professional reviews coming soon, possibly in the new week. Hopefully, these reviews will help some people to realise that we are not selling the proverbial 'magic beans'.

I hope that helps to clear a few things up?

Cheers,

-Paul
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240-ish pages on a close-up and stage effect sounds awesome.

I'm going to order this on July 1st, and I'll get back to you guys on it.

I have no doubt that this will be legit.

I can't see these guys being in on it for the quick buck.

Happy Magi...mentalism.
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I'll start off by saying I've placed my order.

Like many others on this forum who has other material written by Colin and Paul, both of them make a real contribution to our art as they are both full time working professionals in this business.

I don't believe either of them would risk their reputation to make a fast buck, all their previous material speaks for itself.

Of course it's not real mind reading but the questions I asked myself before I placed the order was, do I want to create this type of illusion in the minds of members of my audience whatever the method? And will I use it? The answer to both questions was YES.
If of course I had no intention of using it, just buying to find out the secret and then storing it away, it wouldn't be worth the paper it is written on.

I'm personally glad Paul placed the selling bullet points in the advert stating what is not used, because I wouldn't particularly want to use pre-show or have anything written down during the demonstration. Pre-show speaks for itself and having anything written down slows a demonstration up.

As to the cost and value, only you know how much you earn when you go out to entertain, I can say little else about that.

I personally place great value on the demonstrations I do in my close-up and cabaret performances, so much so I too have written a book that has yet to be published, and the question I have to ask is what price do I wish to put on it? And so would anyone else if they are considering on revealing the secrets of their art that has and is making them a living. Another question is do I want to create clone copies of myself, or those anyone? But apart from the question on cloning, how much would you sell yourself for? But I'm digressing.

All these questions!

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Wow, posts just went down to 83 from 90. Does that mean a troll has been killed?
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Then from 83 to 75, surely, this is Trollocide?


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On 2011-06-22 05:07, Paul Brook wrote:
OK, now to the topic at hand.

Hopefully, these reviews will help some people to realise that we are not selling the proverbial 'magic beans'.



But I've seen what you can do with 'magic beans' when you tap them with your 'magic wand'! I think it would be well worth the money ;-)

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On 2011-06-22 06:42, Paul Brook wrote:
Then from 83 to 75, surely, this is Trollocide?


He shouldn't have called me old.

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Im betting a video clip of a performance would shut a lot of people up Smile
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