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J M Talbot
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I am suprised at the uproar over this. It was clearly designed more for collectors that like "pretty things". I doubt that Mr Wong was trying to present this as a new earth shattering mystery. There have been many examples of old concepts being dresssed up primairly for the collector market (several mentioned above). I collect a few things and quite frankly this is cheap comapred to many other items aimed at this niche market. I have not seen these props but if they are of good quality then the price is more than in-line with other higher end collector items. The demo video makes it pretty clear what you are getting so Mr Wong has not tried to hide anything. This reaction feels a little over the top to me.
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On 2011-07-08 14:36, wmhegbli wrote:
Or why does your wife want a diamond ring that is large and cost thousands more when a $50 wedding band will do just as well. I dare you to ask her to explain her rationalization for blinging up. LOL


That is funny. I can just picture it: "Baby, all that is, is a blinged up version of what I already GOT you!" Smile
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I walked into a jewelry shop in Chinatown (S.F.) a number of years ago. Thought it would be nice to have a jade/gold ring. Checked prices, and walked right out. Whatever jade they had, it was very expensive. Perhaps there are higher and lower grades of jade. Going to Wikipedia...
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Linking Rngs. Cups. Backdrops. Wands. Heck, even WANDS! - All those serve far more useful purposes than a trick that, although being able to fool children ages 6 and under as well as people that have been living inside broken refrigerators in Mars for the last three centuries, does just one thing. And does it very badly.


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On 2011-07-08 12:51, Fábio DeRose wrote:
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On 2011-07-08 12:03, Paul S Wingham wrote:
Perhaps not over priced for what you get



You get a 1 dollar trick that has been bling'd up.


There are lots of very good examples of this:

- Adams cups - PF Cups/Sherwood Cups

- Adams/Royal (?) linking rings - Owen Linking Rings

- Adams Color Vision - Howard Hale's (or others) Color Vision

etc....

I'm not saying that Adams is the original producer of these effects, of course. On the other hand, I doubt that the $1 version of this ring trick was the first incarnation of its kind, either! Smile

The effect, I think, looks beautiful, and the principle has been fooling people for a long, long time.
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You're a bit confused, or I wasn't clear, I think. I was simply saying that many old tricks have been blinged up. And this is true. That had nothing to do with the usefulness or not of the trick.

I *then* stated that I thought the vanish was quite beautiful.

If you don't feel like it will fool anyone, great. We won't expect it in your repertoire! Smile
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I remember doing this effect years ago with an Adams plastic coin drawer and another trick that consisted of a clear plastic cube with a black cover and a thin piece of rectangular plastic. The cube was used to vanish the coin which was then found in the drawer. I modified the cube a little to be more deceptive. Boy, I'd forgotten about that.
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And let's NOT forget how so similiar this "knock-off" effect is to the Chinatown Half Coin Gimmick effect.
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Just as well Wizard Product review woke us up from their trap!
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And let's NOT forget how so similiar this "knock-off" effect is to the Chinatown Half Coin Gimmick effect.
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Wellllll, .......not really. Only in the most distant sense. And it's also likely that the original version of the rings effect pre-dates the Chinatown Half principle.
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I *then* stated that I thought the vanish was quite beautiful.



Do you have x-ray vision? The reason I ask this is because the coin, when it "vanishes", is covered by 2/3 of the earth's most expensive chinatown toy.

I fail to see the beauty in that, especially when there is Windows Movie Maker witchery involved (Not that the trick itself needs any, LOL).
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Verrrry eenterestink!
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Perhaps not over priced for what you get



You get a 1 dollar trick that has been bling'd up.


I meant the jade must cost a few quid (or at least I assume that's the justification for price) but agree it's a $1 trick that really doesn't need to be blinged in my opinion.
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Furthermore, how can one tell the difference between real and fake Jade?

Wuldn't it be incredibly funny if these rings were no made of real jade after all? Bazzinga!
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What are you trying to say here Fabio?
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Jade comes in many grades, but there are only two types with different chemical formula. The first is Jadeite and the second is old jade Chinese Nephrite.

The most expensive and desirable jadeite (Burmese Jadeite, Burma Jade, Imperial Jade, or Chinese Jade) usually comes from Myanmar (formerly Burma), but small quantities are mined in Guatemala, Mexico and Russia.

Type A - Natural, untreated, undergoes a traditional process (plum juice washing and polishing with beeswax), no "artificial treatments" (e.g. high temperature or high-pressure treatments). This has a "true" color.

Type B - Chemically bleached to remove impurities; injected with polymer with the use of a centrifuge to enhance translucency; covered with hard and clear plastic like coating. Subject to instability and discoloration over time because polymer gets broken down by heat or household detergent; nevertheless, still 100% real jade with 100% natural color.

Type C - Chemically bleached; dyed to enhance color; subject to discoloration over time due to reaction with strong light, body heat or household detergent.

Here are some immitation jade:

Serpentine ("New Jade" or "Olive Jade")
Prehnite
Aventurine quartz
Grossular garnet ("Transvaal jade")
Chrysoprase ("Australian jade" - most of it comes from Queensland, Australia)
Malaysia Jade (permanently dyed translucent quartz that may be called by its color – Red Jade, Yellow Jade, Blue Jade)
Opaque dolomite marble ("Mountain Jade" - from Asia, dyed in vibrant colors)

I compiled this info from the internet after reading more than I care to read about Jade.(lol)

I know B.C probally has the largest percentage of jade, but I don't think B.C jade is expensive at all. I have found a lot of B.C. jade when I lived in Quesnel B.C.

If anyone is interrested to know what kind of jade Alan Wong uses, just email him and ask what kind of jade is it, where did the jade come from, and what grade is it. That'll solve that dilema. Smile
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On 2011-07-06 02:35, vinsmagic wrote:
I perfromed this effect over 30 years ago and it is older than that, I used metal key rings
how can someone sell a trick that is not his just because he is using different material ???


I was thinking the same thing about another person who is selling the gyspy thread trick applied to a balloon. Smile
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On 2011-07-10 13:25, Failed Magician wrote:
What are you trying to say here Fabio?


That it would be funny if he sold his bling as being the highest grade jade available when it was actually the cheapest one. Would be amusing to see poeple's reactions to such a happening.
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I find it funny that there is so much fuss and discussion over this and now wanting to know what grade of jade is used. I don't recall the amount of scrutiny another effect has had.
ok, for me I am put off by the price because I live in San Francisco and go by Chinatown for practically most of my life because ohh I don't know, because my uncle owns a jewelry store in Chinatown, go grocery shopping there, visit relatives who live in the Chinatown projects.
So for me to see "rings" or more properly bangles for that price makes me laugh not to mention red envelopes are $1.50 a pack and coins are $2 and up and vary (which I would have opted to switch out for much older looking coins that are basically black for a more ancient "Oriental" prop - Caucasians love saying Oriental.
Real jade crack or break more easily so using real jade is basically not practical nor ideal. Oh well, each his own as you all say, don't need to ask Alan - Many field trips to Hong Kong with my uncle, so I think I kinda know the Chinese jade/24k gold/cloisonne' retail/wholesale/export racket from there to here - and visited a manufacturing vendor of magic and toys (that''s another story)!!
If I had to spend $100 I would place an order for Industrial Revelation - which I did, can't wait. go figure.
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On 2011-07-10 15:22, rklew64 wrote:
I find it funny that there is so much fuss and discussion over this and now wanting to know what grade of jade is used. I don't recall the amount of scrutiny another effect has had.
ok, for me I am put off by the price because I live in San Francisco and go by Chinatown for practically most of my life because ohh I don't know, because my uncle owns a jewelry store in Chinatown, go grocery shopping there, visit relatives who live in the Chinatown projects.
So for me to see "rings" or more properly bangles for that price makes me laugh not to mention red envelopes are $1.50 a pack and coins are $2 and up and vary (which I would have opted to switch out for much older looking coins that are basically black for a more ancient "Oriental" prop - Caucasians love saying Oriental.
Real jade crack or break more easily so using real jade is basically not practical nor ideal. Oh well, each his own as you all say, don't need to ask Alan - Many field trips to Hong Kong with my uncle, so I think I kinda know the Chinese jade/24k gold/cloisonne' retail/wholesale/export racket from there to here - and visited a manufacturing vendor of magic and toys (that''s another story)!!
If I had to spend $100 I would place an order for Industrial Revelation - which I did, can't wait. go figure.


Big Diffrence Industrial Revelation can stand Examination

This piece of Crap can't !
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Right.
It's one thing when a grownup buys this for whatever reason.
It's another when a younger unknowing budding magician buys this and gets potentially highly disappointed with it and loose out $100 and feeling ripped off. It's a bad setup in my opinion.
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