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Review King
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Why are Tally HO's more expensive and harder to find?
anyone know?

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In my neighborhood the little grocery stores only have Tally HOs. It's more difficult to find Bicycles. So I guess it depends where you live.

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I think tally ho's are mainly for card flourishes. That might say somthing.
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i prefer bicycle cards, just my opinion.
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Thanks all!!

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Do a lot of magician's actually use Tally Ho's in their performances? The only place I have ever seen them are on some of the magic videos that I own. When I first saw them, they looked like a cheap, marked deck that I bought when I was a kid. Bicycle decks seem more common, and less likely to raise suspicion.
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Ok guys, I haven't done card magic in several years, but I used to own a magic shop here in NJ.

So a little background. For decades, Tally Ho cards were the professional magicians' choice. The were sturdy, but easy to work with. There may be other reasons...perhaps they were out years before bikes and guys just got used to using them..I don't really know why, but they were THE brand to use. That's why you see them in the older videos. Frank Garcia, et al.

Then the back design changed. Tally Ho number 9 used to have a circle back. One circle, tastefully done, in the middle of the back. It was a pleasing design.
Then the number 9's back design changed to what it is now. Looks like four little circles connected by lines...or somethng like that. As I said, I haven't done card magic in a long time.

Anyway,most pros considered the design God awful. This was in the early 90's.

The problem for magic shop owners like me was that if we ordered Tally Ho number 9's sometimes we got the old design and sometimes we got the new design. There was no control over what we got. When we got the new designs in, guys bought them for a very short time, but really didn't like them at all. That's when guys started switching to Bicycle brand.

The industry quickly followed suit and put their Svcengalis, etc, in Bicycle design.

Tally Ho's with the old desigh were almost impossible to find and very few guys use the new design. So their use quickly faded away.

I believe thay are goen altogether now.

I don't know why the company changed designs...anyone???
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Actually, I think Tally Ho may be increasing in popularity again, possibly because Bicycle quality fluctuated so much. If you check out the current
http://www.magicweek.co.uk you'll see gaffs are now available for Tally Ho. I don't think International Magic would have gone to that expense if they hadn't seen a need...

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You're right Paul. Lots of off center printing on new bikes. Not to mention rough edges at times.
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I agree. When I first bought a Bicycle deck that was printed off-center I though "Cool, I can use this as a one-way deck." Well let's just say I now have enough one-way decks to serve every member of the Café. Smile
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T-H's are currently available in both circle back and the other design (I think it's called the "fan back", but I'm not 100% sure right now, having a bit of a memory lapse on that). While I'm not a card guy in the least, I do a pretty decent Faro (not that I'd ever use it in a performance these days), and T-Hs are far superior to Bikes for that as a result of the differing methods of how the edges are cut (and the resulting consistency that produces).

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Great info guys. Thanks for lending your expertise to this post.

I find the Bicycle cards don't last long. I've been using Wallgreen Drug Store STUD brand lately and they have this great, sturdy plastic coating on them that makes them last for weeks under heavy use.
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hi, just like to say that i personally prefer tally ho... but due to the fact that most gaff cards are made with bicycle backs, i had no choice but to use bicycle cards... it would seem very suspicious for the audience if one day they see you use tally ho and the next, you are using bicycle. one funny thing that i found out is that the bicycle league back i bought recently were thinner that the rider back... is it this way or was it just my deck? thanks Smile
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On 2003-08-24 16:34, Tripwire wrote:
You're right Paul. Lots of off center printing on new bikes.

Most Tally-Ho decks are also slightly off center. Plus they're really easy to mark. And that's what the corner store down the street from me carries so I'm in good shape.
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I prefer Tally-Ho cards. From my experience their quality is much better than the Bicycle cards. It is much easier to perform the Faro Shuffle with Tally-Ho. Still, the different design on the back may make some spectators think they are marked, or in some way gaffed. Still, I have found most were interested in the designed itself, not in the cards. Letting them examine the design on the deck is an easy way to alleviate any concerns.
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I've always preferred BICYCLE. Maybe it has something to do with this part of the country, but anytime I introduce anything but BICYCLE in close-up work, I frequently hear, "Oh, that's a weird looking deck! It's probably fake," or the like.

Why have two problems when I already have one?
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Tally Hos definitly last longer than bikes. Like what all the rest said, depends on what you want to do with the cards... THo is good for powdered, but not for flourishes coz it is too soft....

I personally like Bee coz it is nicely cut and it lasts longer than bikes oso.....

Hope all this infos helps...... Smile Smile Smile



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Bicycles all the way !
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In my opinion tally ho just shouts "gimmicked deck". Bicycle is a regular deck that people will trust not to be out of the ordinary. I only use bycicle for that reason (they also have that nice air cushion finish).
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I am not that much of a card magician - but I have a few simple routines I do. I use mostly Bikes because that's what's commonly available in this area. Recently I was in a fancy game/toy shop and they had a display of cards including both Tally-Ho (fan-back) and Bulldog Squeezers. Since I had never seen these for sale anywhere before I picked up a deck of each.
To be honest, I cannot tell the difference between either of these or my Bike decks which I buy in bulk at Costco (a 12 pack -6 red/ 6 blue is about $20). They feel the same to me. I have looked carefully at the cards having read these threads, but I'm afraid my senses are just not finely enough attuned to perceive any difference in the finish or stiffness of these decks.
I do find it interesting that the U.S. Playing Card Co. has a different name for the finish on each of these decks:
Bikes: Air-Cushion
Tallly-Ho: Linoid
Squeezers: Cambric
Again - I cannot perceive any difference in the finish on these decks, they seem to feel and handle exactly the same.
When you look at the U.S. Playing Card Co.'s website, they ranks their "core brands" in this order:
Bee - Premium quality for serious card players. The world's leading casino card.
Bicycle - #1 US Made; #1 US Played.
Aviator - America's best entertainment value.

Hoyle, Maverick, Tally-Ho, Squeezers, and Congress brands are only mentioned on the site in their guarantee, they do not even appear in their information for retailers.
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