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Hello Danny

Assuming you gave them all the suggestion that they will not roll out of their chairs, and they were hypnotised and were all capable of being Elvis, why do you think they did roll out of their chairs? Did they roll forward or to the side?

In terms of hypnosis, does this mean that those subjects did not have a protective mechanism to prevent them doing something dangerous while in hypnosis?

And I suppose the question to Mark would be were those subjects playing along as they rolled out of their chairs?

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On 2011-07-09 04:57, hypnokid wrote:


And I suppose the question to Mark would be were those subjects playing along as they rolled out of their chairs?

HK


Some of them would be playing along and some wouldn't. There are always going to be a few exhibionists. But as I have mentioned many times there are a fe very susceptible people who delude themselves that they are hypnotised. And if you want to call that self-delusion "hypnosis" be my guest. We will only be talking semantics anyway.

But since this is Danny's thread I don't want to get into this anyway as it is not the subject of the thread.

However, I will say one thing. In certain venues such as universities where there are a lot of young people you may actually WANT people to fall off their chairs since it looks very spectacular and you aim this at the ones who are acting rather than in a state of self-delusion (sorry, I meant trance). It is aimed at fit young people who aren't going to hurt themselves. You say "You will NOT fall off your chairs. You will NOT fall off your chairs. But if you do happen to fall off your chairs you will slither like a snake so you do not hurt yourself" In a young crowd that will encourage various young idiots on stage who are good actors to slither off their chairs and since they will be quite conscious and know exactly what they are doing they will make sure they don't hurt themselves and it will create quite a sensation in the audience. Lots of gasps and laughs over it.

This is also good at army or police shows where the subjects are fit and well trained. The ones who are under real trance however you define it will stay put and the actors will take the hint and do a bit of slithering.

It is best not to do this on a stage since it will be difficult to see the subject on the floor. So this makes it a bit tricky to do in high schools since the shows are always done on a proper stage and it is too high up for the audience to see the floor. And of course one hypnosis authority believes there may be some concern from teachers that the kids are falling about and possibly hurting themselves. I have no idea if this theory is true.

On certain specified occasions it may actually be a good thing to see people fall out of their chairs or at least onto another empty chair beside them. I will never forget the effect it had on me the first time I saw a hypnosis show and Lorde Payne did exactly that. A chill went down my spine and I became an instant believer. Later on I wasn't such a believer but that is another story which I have already related elsewhere.

Aa a rule don't do it but I think you can once in a blue moon if you use good judgement. The worst guy I ever saw doing it was Mind Punisher's hero the late Robert Halpern. It was an awful show and he had bodies all over the place. Paul Goldin never did it and neither did Barry Sinclair as I recall. Lorde Payne only rarely. And these were the best three stage hypnotists I have seen. Barry is the only one alive out of the three. I don't know if he is still working. He must be getting near 70 by now.
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I've done both stage (although I do NOT consider myself to be a stage hypnotist) and impromptu or street-hyp, and God knows Danny and I have clashed a little bit more than just a tad in our argument over that little chestnut. LOL.

However you have to say what you see; I don't really care about the high professionalism of stage ordinance (I don't think there's one living lay person who give's a rat's arse), obviously DD is more than aware of all of it and his reasoning is more than plausible.

I just know what I was watching. I've seen Danny's work before and recognized this favourite close to his shows. It didn't stop me from laughing (quite loudly) once again. I laughed at the woman with the non-memory , the tie, the plaster, the sticking and yelling and of course that line that changes in volume and modulation as it gets funnier each time: "Awe shut-up!" is just one of those human things that most of us find gut-wrenchingly funny. I do believe I laugh at hearing most of all at the audience squeeling with their own different laughter noises. Some of them sound like they're going to be sick with laughter...... 'sick with laughter'. How funny can a show get?

And it's here that I'd have to say that, no, I've never seen street hypnosis or impromptu be as 'funny' as an experienced stage-artist plying his well worn worked-out skills in hypno-comedy.

Naw, credit where credit's due. I felt I was watching a consumate stage-hypnotist sailing through what he does, again and again and again. I agree with Owen. Par excellence. Well done Danny!
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On 2011-07-09 04:57, hypnokid wrote:
Hello Danny

Assuming you gave them all the suggestion that they will not roll out of their chairs, and they were hypnotised and were all capable of being Elvis, why do you think they did roll out of their chairs? Did they roll forward or to the side?

In terms of hypnosis, does this mean that those subjects did not have a protective mechanism to prevent them doing something dangerous while in hypnosis?

And I suppose the question to Mark would be were those subjects playing along as they rolled out of their chairs?

HK


I didn't read Marks post because it was to many words.

Here is the deal. In the hypnosis show you can lose suggestion very quickly. What I mean is this is not therapy. We do things VERY quickly and we move from suggestion to suggestion at a rapid pace. EVEN IF you give that suggestion at the start, it goes away eventually in some cases. I always give the "you will never lose your balance" and "not roll out of your chair" suggestions. But as I said we are not dealing with long term suggestions.

Also for many reasons some people will read it as "look at how hypnotised I WAS as compared to everyone else, I fell to the stage". Now the suggestions you mention can easily take care of a LARGE percentage, heck 99% will be done. But if you have 250 shows a year with at least 8-20 people per show, eventually the numbers catch up with you.

Now there are those who don't mind people piling up on stage, I have seen those who encourage it. At colleges and comedy clubs. I have never been a fan of the practice simply from a saftey point of view. Also I work at places where people just would not want to be laying down on a stage where people have been walking. I just don't like the look of it is all.
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On 2011-07-09 08:19, bobser wrote:
I've done both stage (although I do NOT consider myself to be a stage hypnotist) and impromptu or street-hyp, and God knows Danny and I have clashed a little bit more than just a tad in our argument over that little chestnut. LOL.

However you have to say what you see; I don't really care about the high professionalism of stage ordinance (I don't think there's one living lay person who give's a rat's arse), obviously DD is more than aware of all of it and his reasoning is more than plausible.

I just know what I was watching. I've seen Danny's work before and recognized this favourite close to his shows. It didn't stop me from laughing (quite loudly) once again. I laughed at the woman with the non-memory , the tie, the plaster, the sticking and yelling and of course that line that changes in volume and modulation as it gets funnier each time: "Awe shut-up!" is just one of those human things that most of us find gut-wrenchingly funny. I do believe I laugh at hearing most of all at the audience squeeling with their own different laughter noises. Some of them sound like they're going to be sick with laughter...... 'sick with laughter'. How funny can a show get?

And it's here that I'd have to say that, no, I've never seen street hypnosis or impromptu be as 'funny' as an experienced stage-artist plying his well worn worked-out skills in hypno-comedy.

Naw, credit where credit's due. I felt I was watching a consumate stage-hypnotist sailing through what he does, again and again and again. I agree with Owen. Par excellence. Well done Danny!


Bobser, thank you.
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Excellent presentation Danny!

Good thoughts,

Bob
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Thank you sir.

I am glad we may have changed the tone here a bit, it was getting tiresome with all the measuring and bickering back and forth. (Even when I was involved in it Smile )

So I deceided to be productive about it. Maybe I will get the opening up one day. But it took me a LONG time to do this so who knows? LOL.
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Thanks Danny. I'd still like to know why it happens but that can be saved for another thread sometime.

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OH no I am sorry lets talk about it.

In the end NOBODY KNOWS! Seriously. People come up because they like and trust you. They are following directions very intensely. They are focused down to the sound of your voice. Very narrow focus. They often are just not paying attention to themselves.

I have just assured them I would take perfect care of them, I would make certain they are safe, so some of those things are turned off.

Some are more outgoing attention getting types. "Look at how hypnotised I WAS!"

I guess it could be 1000 reasons.

I am only worried about them falling forward. One thing I do during the induction is to lay the heads on each others shoulders. Then when I do a reinduction handshake I always pull them to anothers shoulder. This gets them in the habit of sideways. This can be tricky too because of head clunks or what not.
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