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jcvelbar New user South Florida 50 Posts |
I was watching the Criss Angel special Mindfreak last night (it's been on Tivo for months) and I saw a matrix-like coin trick using only his hands. Anyone have an idea of what this is?
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djvirtualreality Inner circle MayfieldNew York 1347 Posts |
A “coins across” in his hands… or a 3 fly? I haven't seen his special … always missed it, so I wouldn't know if they were it but that's the way it sounds. Maybe it's a shadow coins routine.
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Chris Berry Special user 831 Posts |
I believe DJ hit it right with his last statement.
It is a shadow coins routine. Although I have heard some argue it is a Chink-a-Chink, which I am still unsure on the differences. Chris |
twistedace Inner circle philadelphia 3772 Posts |
Ok, the one Chris did was almost positively shadow coins. I don't think he would have done chink-a-chink on a pool table. Chink-a-chink is a trick developed by David Roth for coins. “Shadow Coins” is the same basic routine developed by Mike Ammar with a minor adjustment (gaff) that makes it much more deceptive, … well cleaner. It can be found in David Roth's Expert coin magic book or his video vol.1 or it can be found on “Easy to Master Money Miracles” volume 2 from Michael Ammar. This is a great routine and my past 2 months have been spent playing seriously with this effect and it's variants with backfires, all at once assemblies, and of course explosions. If you want to read more about those last couple of things I talked about there is a thread already posted by me that's titled “Shadow Coins Backfire” under the coin section here. Good luck, and learn it quick!
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Bernard Sim Inner circle Singapore 1095 Posts |
I don't think he uses Ammar's Shadow coins. I believe it is Roth's Chink-a-Chink. If you notice the last phase, he doesn't really clean up.
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Donny Orbit Special user 944 Posts |
It is David Roth's Chink-a-Chink performed exactly as taught in Apocalypse Vol. 1. He cleans up simply by picking all coins up without showing that he doesn't have any extra. The surface of the pool table makes this routine fairly easy to pull off.
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
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On 2003-08-21 23:50, twistedace wrote: That's debatable. When Roth performed it at a lecture I attended, he specifically pointed out three things: 1. Here is the effect done seated at a table, "As God originally intended". (I thought that was a funny comment.) 2. When I performed this on the David Letterman Show (link here) the coin Letterman was messing with would have been a shell coin if it was Shadow Coins - I would have been busted. 3. Look at the final display after all the coins arrive in the upper left. I can turn both hands palm up and move away from the table. I think the way Roth ends (watch that video link above) the routine by turning both hands up and the coin from the bottom left is really Gone is more deceptive and cleaner than Shadow Coins. |
Chris S Veteran user 393 Posts |
Yes, but if Roth had been performing “shadow coins”, it would be unlikely that Letterman would have bent down to pickup the shell. It’s kind of like comparing apples to oranges. Also, while Roth's routine wins out at the END, Ammar's variation wins at the BEGINNING when it is clearly and undeniably shown that only 4 coins are in play. After the cleanup the clean display is also possible. Maybe its just me, but the need to end with a final clean vanish is of more concern to magicians than it ever is for laypeople (who have a hard time explaining any effect even seconds after its performed.)
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I'm not so sure waving empty hands at the end of a trick is a good idea.
Also proving stuff seems counter productive as well. Does anyone ask for a spectator hand to cover the three and vanish the last coin while tabled?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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John Born Veteran user 390 Posts |
In "Matrix God's Way" I included a routine called BQM that solves the problem of the last coin in a borrowed quarter (one-ahead) barehanded matrix assembly, leaving you clean of having that awkward "extra coin still under your hand" stance many go into after the completion of the effect. There are no sh***s, however the principles involved leave you ten times as clean and makes it way more visual. I solely save this as an off the cuff impromptu effect performed on a pool table in a pool hall / bar. Check it out!!!
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
I will say this...
If I do a bare handed assembly I find myself using Shadow Coins instead of Roth's, even though I like Roth's ending. The benefit for me of Shadow Coins is that you can do it standing. Regarding your routine John, I did get that far in the review I am writing for your book, here is my comments on BQM: "This is basically a variation of Roth’s Chink-A-Chink/Ammar’s Shadow Coins. John uses an extra quarter that is gimmicked in a minor inexpensive way. The preparation John makes to his extra quarter allows him to seemingly end clean without having to lap a coin. So while this routine appears impromptu, you do have to have your modified quarter setup and with you. For that matter, having a quarter size sh**l coin on you would enable you to do Ammar’s Shadow Coins routine and appear as impromptu as this. But if you don’t want to use a sh**l, this version works splendidly." |
John Born Veteran user 390 Posts |
Hi Dan! Absolutely correct! There is a little something extra- but the difference in between using a sh**l and my version is that after the last coin goes you pick your hand straight up, and there is no load/unload for clean-up, no awkward moment, no palming, the coins can immediately be picked up by the curious minds...and you don't need to buy a sh**l.
Also, that is the great thing...that it is seemingly impromptu and you don't "bring out your own coins" to perform it! It is also consistent with the focus of the book, which is "extra effort in preparation will reap great rewards in effect." I think that this is a perfect example! I guess it is only "almost" virtually impromptu, as you need the special stuff, but I carry it around as if it were my wallet. Very cool!!! |
Chris Berry Special user 831 Posts |
Heehee
Am I the only one that noticed Roth's Jumbo Coin had 1988 for the date instead of 1964? Chris |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Chris, maybe the coin gets younger as it gets larger?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Chris S Veteran user 393 Posts |
You don't mean ... [gasp]...it really didn't expand in size?
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jcvelbar New user South Florida 50 Posts |
Thanks for all your responses! This has given me great ammunition to proceed.
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Elwood Loyal user 287 Posts |
Angel only has four coins on the table at the end. Watch his left hand and one of the pockets on the pool table make an improvised topit!
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Spydur Special user PDX, now San Diego...back to PDX 966 Posts |
I used to use a pool table as an improvised topit, but soon found that it was rather difficult to perform Ammar's bottle production with a pool table in my pants.
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John Born Veteran user 390 Posts |
LOL!
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magicsk8er New user 28 Posts |
There’s a new instant download at penguin…, “Matrix Reminted”, it says it’s impromptu and uses 4 coins.
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