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DallasCarter New user 66 Posts |
Instead of a long message here I made a video explaining what happened during an impromptu show last night.
Click here or on the Image Below for the Video ! So the question is, in situations like mine, how do you cover? and secondly how many effects do you do when in impromptu situations? Looking forward to your responses! |
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Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
For covering, I don't really cover.
I give them credit and if they really figure it out, I'll just say, " You got me, good one, you're good at this " Others may differ. I was first in line for Harry Potter yesterday, waited 5:40 AM. I didn't do any magic because I was so tired. But for Part 1 I did do a little show. This teen came up to my group and started doing so many effects horribly, all from "This Is Mentalism" by Richard Ferguson. It was a great lesson on "moving on" He did about 8-9 effects and my friends and co workers were confused and bored to tears. (I jumped in and did a couple effects, because he wanted me to) For "street" performances like that either do 3 or 4 effects max and then call it a day, leave them with your business card, always leave them wanting more or do an effect and wait read your audience and once you hit that peak reaction and just call it a day. And that could be just after the second effect. |
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DallasCarter New user 66 Posts |
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do an effect and wait read your audience and once you hit that peak reaction and just call it a day. And that could be just after the second effect. Love it, good insight! |
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Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
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Thomas Cooper Special user 935 Posts |
Making video response to you, really like this video.
I call myself "Thomas Cooper" here because this stops the magic café appearing when people google my stage name.
Does anyone else find the term "Special User" to be a bit condescending? |
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
Incongruence.
You describe presenting everything in a psychological persona/context "like Derren Brown" but then you perform Daniel Garcia's Pressure. How does that fit in with the persona/context you describe? Seems to me like you have gathered together a whole lot of effects which, while stand alone as strong, mostly each require a completely different context/atmosphere to be most successful. For example, starting with Pressure and doing an impromptu show like this isn't really creating the right atmosphere for a pulse stopper effect. That together with too many effects and they start to look for "the trick." They started to look and they found it. Just my thoughts... Reg |
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DallasCarter New user 66 Posts |
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On 2011-07-15 20:47, quicknotist wrote: Very very good point Reg. you may hace nailed it perfectly, A pulse stopper may have had no place in the routine . . . BUT, the dual reality effects went well. I built up using those and it 'felt' right but perhaps too many tricks did in did make them more apt to look for the trick. Do you recommend any extremely visual mentalism effects Reg? Honestly . . . I like pressure because it gets people gathered. Its actually kind of quirky but I use it for what its worth. Any ideas? |
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
You guys really need to go back to magic because from what you are posting that
is what you are doing. As Slim King, says if you can name a list of effects you are doing you are not doing mentalism. Sorry if this sounds harsh. Best Wishes, Jim
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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On 2011-07-15 20:28, Blindside785 wrote: I was chuckling the entire time I read this.
You can purchase my works at: http://www.GetMindTricks.com
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
What was it about my post that led you to draw this conclusion about me Jim?
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On 2011-07-15 21:39, Jim-Callahan wrote: |
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
Reg, sorry I was commenting on the other posts.
Best Wishes, Jim
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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DallasCarter New user 66 Posts |
Jim - not harsh at all. I have no huge ego attached here.
I'm still learning what mentalism really is and I am not afraid of admitting that at all. |
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Jamie D Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2292 Posts |
I am unable to watch the video as I am typing from my phone but as far as the number of impromptu effects go, in most cases its just one for me. Also, I don't think any one should feel the need to perform all the time when someone asks you to, there is nothing wrong with saying no! I find if you perform one and sometimes maybe two effects that hit on a personal/impossible level, that's all you need to do to show them what it is that you do.
Darren
Twitter @darjames
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DallasCarter New user 66 Posts |
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On 2011-07-15 21:39, Jim-Callahan wrote: Jim, thanks for the audio link on the other thread Also, I sent you a PM |
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Stefmagic Special user 529 Posts |
Quote: I agreed with Jim. What you are doing was only magic (card tricks) and then doing what you call mentalism effects but it's only mental magic. You can't pretend doing mentalism if you preceded that with card tricks. Nothing wrong about magic and mental magic BUT, mentalism need to be treated with a complete different approach and mind set.
On 2011-07-15 21:39, Jim-Callahan wrote: |
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DallasCarter New user 66 Posts |
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On 2011-07-15 23:08, Stefmagic wrote: Stef, while I appreciate your insight I respectfully have a comment/question for you? Could you explain the difference between mental magic and mentalism? I think my routine is decent. I don't do this as career as most of you do. BUT the kind of comments made here can very easily discourage someone who is earnestly trying to learn. I'd like to stick around here to learn as opposed to being told to just go somewhere else. Perhaps tell me what I should be doing instead??? I thought this was 'Magicians helping magicians.' I'm not an idiot. I am not afraid of learning. If mentalism will only and forever just belong to an elite group of folks who are in the inner-circle, then, well, then fine, this forum just ends up being like all the rest, where folks who are learning are just told to get lost. If not, hows about tell me what I'm doing wrong? Not just shake your head in disapproval at the inferior knowledge folks have. * Hope you take no offense to my statement . . . . None intended, but I would like to hear your response. Posted: Jul 15, 2011 11:15pm ---------------------------------- Quote:
On 2011-07-15 22:08, Darren James wrote: Thank you Darren. |
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
Dallas...
Two Questions... 1) I don't cover...There is no need to. I don't do magic -- the audience isn't looking for "tricks" it's not a "I'm deceiving you and dare you to find the secret" kind of relationship that I keep with my audiences. You open with magic, you are doing card tricks -- you are a magician. 2) I don't perform impromptu on the street. Once again -- that's a magician thing. I approach everything I do with ritual and special circumstance. If you are seeing me work -- you are seeing an "event" something memorable. TBH -- working a line at a movie theater when you A) weren't hired and B) weren't hired is unprofessional, and ridiculous. I have no respect for guys who do what you do. It's almost as though you are looking for some sort of validation from society by bringing your card tricks and magic with you. It's desperate. Not trying to be harsh -- this is purely my opinion. Would an artist drag an easel and paints to the harry potter premiere and start painting? What about a musician? See anyone in line with a stand-up bass, drum kit???? I don't think so... I have never been able to understand why magicians feel a need to be "trick monkeys" and perform on street corners, park benches, and in line up at movies. Unless you are busking (truly busking) respect yourself, others and your art and stop pleading for attention -- it's ridiculous and unbecoming. Third issue I have -- you did a DB routine from a highly secretive limited (unless pirated) manuscript, in a movie theater!!! You must be as new to the art as this forum -- doing something like this is again ridiculous. Once again -- learn to respect your art -- and until you do I suggest leaving it alone. Agree with Jim and others... It's not that this art is for the elite few -- it's just not for "magicians" (EDIT: Trekkies with Business Cards) who think it's fashionable and appealing -- "so why the **** not". Here's to finding what something loved and cherished at the bottom of the Ellusionist discount bin some day thanks to pan handler mcmagic dude... Sorry to sound harsh -- not wanting to squash dreams -- just sick of some of the posts going up here on the Café... If this comes off as offensive I apologize. just my 2 cents... J
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Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
Well for me I did it for practice and fun..and to get more practice. I see no wrong in it.
I see some great opportunity to try out tricks/effects/routines in those situations. I waited in line last year for over 15 hours so it's a great form of entertainment for myself and others while sitting out in the cold. I'm sorry you have no respect for people that do what I do. I find it a bit childish you lose respect for someone attempting to perform for a live non paying audience. And I guess your form of "respecting" is not doing it unless you are at a paid performance? "It's Desperate" ...I beg to differ. Artists don't just paint in a studio Musicians don't just play at gigs Look at the world around you and see that people can also perform for no pay out of their set element. Next time I'm at a lineup or campfire I'll leave my guitar at home because it's so unbecoming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vz_YTNLn6w I think I see Derren Brown looking for validation from society... |
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DallasCarter New user 66 Posts |
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On 2011-07-16 00:07, Jay Are wrote: LOL!, "Not trying to be offensive, not trying to sound harsh"? You just said you have no respect for me and said that I am ridiculous. LMAO! Unlike you, I wont stoop to being overtly offensive and dis-respectful. I'm starting to see that some folks here on this forum define their very existence by the tricks they do. . . . If that is true (please notice I said, "if . . .") then that is pretty depressing. I guess I apologize for trying to learn here. I apologize for trying to have a hobby that that can wow the mind I apologize that you have no respect for those who are not as studied and practiced as you. Jim and Stef said their pieces. I respected what they said though I did take issue with it. You have just been utterly disrespectful to me and have completely gone against the grain of what. My goodness, I asked for help . . . . Your response is that I am ridiculous and not worthy of respect. Welcome to magic, and welcome to the Café. . . . geeze. Thank you for being so 'becoming' of a helpful magician. |
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Jay Are Inner circle 4186 Posts |
The risk of insult is the price of clarity...sorry guys.
j
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