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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Threat level, yellow. Protecting the people from leamonade yet again:
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/0......e-stand/
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
You were starting to grow on me. Why don't you give this nonsense a rest? Seriously. It is a tired old act.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
I'll give it a rest when they stop doing it.
Do you think this is reasonable what they are doing?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Yawn
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-07-16 00:00, gdw wrote: Enforcing the law?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Chance Inner circle 1385 Posts |
According to Midway Municipal Code 2-5-24 you have 10 days after opening to file for a business license.
You were saying, Lobo? |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
You're probably wondering why I've gathered you all here today...
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-07-16 01:00, Chance wrote: Yes, apparently (I'm not fact-checking the blog commentators) the officers were premature...they won't be in violation of the code unless and until they haven't obtained a business license in another week or so. I suspect they're not going to get a license, though; I further suspect that they're not going to suffer any adverse consequences for operating their business without a license (other than being shut down).
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Chance Inner circle 1385 Posts |
So if the officers were premature, how can it be said the kids were operating without a license? There is an automatic 10-day grace period which takes precedent over anything the officers would like to do, but don't yet have the authority to act under. If the grace period hasn't expired, then any actions by the police fall under the color of law. So either the kids were in the right, or the poice were. You can't have it both ways.
The most the police should have done, is to remind the parents of the 10-day limit and then walk away. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-07-16 01:31, Chance wrote: Whether or not the officers were premature doesn't affect whether they were operating without a license. It seems undisputed that they WERE operating without a license; the law, though, is that apparently they're allowed to operate without a license for up to 10 days. What the police should have done was inform them that they were required to get a license, and not closed them down. Or come back after 10 days to see if they'd gotten one. I suspect that they weren't intending to get one, though, and that being shut down was preferable to having the police (or code enforcement, or whoever) come back 10 days later hitting them up for $50/day.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Chance Inner circle 1385 Posts |
Yes, advise them of the 10-day limit and then walk away. I just said that.
Retroactively fine them $50 per day? Where did you see that? |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
In the last paragraph of the story, it says that the permit that would have let them stay in business costs $50/day.
From the comment that cites the Municipal Code, it says that once they sell any good or service, or solicit business, then they're "engaged in business" and subject to that part of the Code.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Chance Inner circle 1385 Posts |
Right. That's in part 21. And then they have 10 days to confirm it with a license. That's in part 24.
There is no talk of a retroactive fine based on those daily fees. The fee only comes into play at start of business of Day 11. There is a firm 10-day grace period. Bottom line, the cops were way out of line. The kids were not breaking any laws at any time. The only thing they were "guilty" of was not being aware of their true rights under the local codes -- which was NOT as the police described them. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-07-16 01:52, Chance wrote: It's not a retroactive fine - it's prospective from the time they start doing business; if they're engaged in business, then they have to have a license. And they're engaged in business as soon as they start selling (or trying to sell) lemonade. They have 10 days to get the license, but they don't have 10 free days of transacting unlicensed business.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Chance Inner circle 1385 Posts |
I disagree. I think it says exactly that. I think it says that you are able to open your doors to transactions for 10 days prior to having to apply for the license. I think it was written this way to allow for garage sales, bake sales, and the like (even lemonaide stands) to be given a small amount of breathing room, but not so much as to allow it/them become a full scale enterprise without the paper.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Part 21 says once you start doing business, you need a license. Part 24 says you have 10 days to get that license.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-07-16 02:11, LobowolfXXX wrote: Well, sure, that's easy for you to say: you read it. ;) |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
So this is a useful application of the police officers' time?
I guess they were just following orders to round up undocumented workers.
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Quote: Interpreting the law, and acting thusly rather than asking the ones who created it, is a great way to find one's self in jail and or court.
On 2011-07-16 02:07, Chance wrote: |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
It is likely that the ten day provision is to allow for processing time after the application is made. Thus, there is nothing retroactive at all about the daily fee. That would be payable from day one.
If there was an explicit intent to waive fees for businesses operating less than ten days, I think that would have been plainly stated in the legislation. Good thoughts, Bob |
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