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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
....thats because you have a bent metal pole up your bazanga and its skewing your brain wave patterns..
don't think, don't talk, just let yourself go.... Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
I say, Kambiz. You are being off topic and I suspect vulgar into the bargain. Please do try to improve yourself. And as for the other impertinent Australian who remarked on my post about Gil Eagles I have no idea if it a good approach or not. However, it should be at least noted that Gil Eagles is a top professional mentalist and probably knows what he is doing in these matters. I can actually see some merit in the approach.
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Paul Shirley Inner circle Melbourne, Australia 1206 Posts |
O.K... have re read original post and I think I am ready to hopefully make some sort of half decent contribution.
I think it helps to have enough knowledge about either/or ... but more important to have improvisational skills. I have only been asked to go more in-depth, as far as explanation, on a few occasions... and these were all questions from friendly, open minded people who were just interested... so, no real heat in which I had to think quick really. Plenty of benefit from gaining a more in depth knowledge in the area/s you focus your presentations on though. Asides from being armed with knowledge should you ever need to discuss it at more length... the knowledge may also prompt some new effect/presentation ideas. |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
Ahhhhh come on Mark (join in the fun, let your hair down and wave it about like you just don't care ), there is no vulgarity in my original post on this thread.....I was being mystical
I will try to improve myself, but you need to tell me how?? Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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Paul Shirley Inner circle Melbourne, Australia 1206 Posts |
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On 2011-07-20 11:48, Mark Lewis wrote: Kambiz... You just got 'served' Mark, you may just use the term 'Australian' on its own... when you are Australian, impertinence is just a given. If you can see some merit, you must then have some idea as to wether it is a good approach or not. As for Mr Eagles, I have no doubt he knows what he is doing... but Im pretty sure there are other 'top professional mentalists', who also know what they are doing, but would never use such an approach. And yes, try to improve yourself Kam. |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
....I'm going off to my cell again (Big Boy Barry the Baldy awaits my return, he will improve me,so they say!)....
(slouches and walks away) Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
Kambiz, it is true that I am bald. It is also true that you are stupid. But once I had hair.
And yes, Australians are the most vulgar and dreadful people on the face of the earth. No doubt it is because they walk around upside down all day and it affects the blood circulation of the brain. If Kambiz wishes to know how he can improve himself then all he has to do is walk around the right way up. As for the Gil Eagles approach I am not expressing an opinion about it one way or the other. I am merely reporting it as something to think about. It does seem a little different and there is something about it I like. I am not sure I would do it myself but it is worth thinking about. I found it amusing nevertheless. And of course for all I know he doesn't do it at all. I was simply told this by someone else and it has not been confirmed. |
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Paul Shirley Inner circle Melbourne, Australia 1206 Posts |
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On 2011-07-20 12:45, Mark Lewis wrote: Yeah Kam! Served again!! Dr Stupid is what Im going to call you from now on. Well Mark... lucky both Kam and I are British then hey Wouldn't want us to get mixed up with them there Australian heathens. Yeeehawww I like the Gil Eagles approach you mentioned Mark... and also find it highly amusing. I was just wondering if you had any more to the story.. that's all. |
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
The British are pretty horrible people too and second only to Australians who are descended from us in the first place. After all we transported all our worst criminals out there and they begat and begat and begat millions of descendants with criminal blood running through their veins.
Anyway, being British is nothing to be proud of either. That is why I left. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I can't imagine why anyone would get into mentalism if they had no true interest in the powers of the mind. And I can't understand why anyone with an interest in something wouldn't try to learn as much as he could about it, not just for presentational purposes, but for knowledge's sake alone.
Whatever your premise, remember that sooner or later you will eventually be approached by someone who knows as much, if not more, about the subject than you do. I'd rather have an intelligent conversation than be forced to lamely change the subject or admit that I don't know what I'm talking about. But like I said, pursuing knowledge for it's own sake is, for me, one of the great pleasures of life. So to answer the original question - how much you know depends simply on how much you choose to learn. (And, again, I'm talking about general knowledge here, not just magic/mentalism.) And, yes, Mark, Gil has been known to say, when pressed, that what he does is just a trick. Given his powerful act, I would be surprised if many laymen choose to believe him. Good thoughts, Bob |
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Doc_Z Loyal user New York, NY 229 Posts |
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On 2011-07-20 13:48, mastermindreader wrote: Sure, but along the lines of the OP, there is a difference for some of us between what the performer knows and what the "character" knows. A baseball* player, for instance, relies on physics to hit the ball, but he may know very little about inertia, velocity and parabolic motion other than his intuitive knowledge gained from experience. In the same way, a telepath or prognosticator or PKer may only know intuitively how they do what they do, without bothering to read scientific journals about it. (*Or cricket, for those of you across the pond. ) But anyway, I am with you that learning is a great joy, and mental mysteries are of huge interest to me. Lately I've been watching "Through the Wormhole" on the Science Channel, narrated by Morgan Freeman. Like most TV science shows, it is campy and cursory, but some episodes have a lot of delicious food for thought for mentalists. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
With you a hundred percent, Doc.
I was just expressing amazement about the number of "mentalists" who have no idea about what's gone on (and is going on) in parapsychology research since the days of Dr. Rhine. Wish I got the Science channel as I have heard good things about the show with Morgan Freeman. Just listening to him speak would be worth it. Good thoughts, Bob |
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Lost in Thought Veteran user 343 Posts |
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On 2011-07-20 19:20, Doc_Z wrote: Which is fine, as long as they've actually thought about it... no-one said you have to be a parapsychologist, but you should understand your claim, and be able to speak with authority on whichever claim you are making. So, even if the claim is "I don't know, these things just happen to me", then there's no excuse to then bringing out a pack of ESP cards. Consistency in characterisation is the main issue. |
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Sid Helkule Inner circle Australia 1481 Posts |
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On 2011-07-20 12:45, Mark Lewis wrote: LOL! |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
One must point out that reverend lewis has done what all good Scotsmen have done when they have earned a little money...and that's leave the the country...i believe its called "doing a Connolly"...
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&start=0
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Paul Shirley Inner circle Melbourne, Australia 1206 Posts |
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On 2011-07-20 13:29, Mark Lewis wrote: Well then... even LUCKIER that I am of Jewish decent. Go on! Dare ya! |
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Last Laugh Inner circle Grass Valley, California 3498 Posts |
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On 2011-07-20 13:48, mastermindreader wrote: Thanks, Bob. Well said. I tend to think that the pursuit of knowledge is not only a great pleasure, but the ultimate purpose of being alive. (Except for that Shrubsole guy. He is allowed to live a purposeless existence if he so desires). Re Gil Eagles, that reminds me of a time a few years ago when I performed walk around for a company party. One of the things I did was a PK pen. A few days later, I ran into a couple that had been at the party. They said that they had been sitting around at home staring at a pen balanced on a table. They wanted to know how to develop and strengthen their psychic energy, because it wasn't working. I said "Well, you know things aren't always what they seem..." which was received blankly. I didn't like the idea of them sitting around staring at a pen, so I told them essentially that it was a trick. They were disappointed, but in that situation I think it was the right thing to do. Matt
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Paul Shirley Inner circle Melbourne, Australia 1206 Posts |
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On 2011-07-20 19:57, Last Laugh wrote: Matt, you are a decent man! I would have let them keep practicing Begs the question though... I wonder how many people walk away from a performance, not saying much at the time, but go home, gather all the required apparatus and try to replicate this stuff? Quite a few I would imagine. |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
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On 2011-07-20 12:45, Mark Lewis wrote: Mr.Lewis, I NEVER called you bald, so I refuse to be labelled stupid. May I advise that you go and improve yourself and concentrate on perfecting the virtues of respect, courtesy and kindness: http://www.virtuesproject.com/ :) (all in good humour my friend) I response to Mr. Eagles situation which you presented, I would say that this is an approach that I would never take. For me, passivity is bred by the forces of society today. A desire to be entertained is nurtured from childhood, with increasing efficiency, cultivating generations willing to be led by whoever proves skilful at appealing to superficial emotions. Even in many educational systems, students are treated as though they were receptacles designed to receive information. For me the beauty of mentalism and mysticism is not for the appealing of the superficial emotions of the masses, but rather the evoking of an impetus to act. Act for the betterment of society, to evoke such deep emotions, that there will be no other impulse but to express the ensuing outpouring of being a true and humble servant for their common breed. I feel this is where mentalists and mystics will fit within a society that will no longer allow for simple entertainments to satisfy their superficiality and "animal nature"....the world is yearning for depth....really, who cares that the mentalist "somehow knew what I was thinking" or "influenced me to pick a chinese coin" or "made me spin around on the spot like a human pendulum" What we are doing as mentalists today is "conforming" to the superficial needs of society, step beyond this and we will enter a realm where "spirit" is the creative art form, and invoking of such depth and core resonance that it will invoke a permanent change within the audience who will in turn "act" for the betterment of their fellow man.... This, in my humble opinion is the "art" of mentalism, and this is what we should all "know".... (but few, if any here are really ready for this yet, me included) "let deeds, not words be your adorning" Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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