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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
On a decent live training event, you get plenty of opportunity to practice, on the other attendees.
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snm Special user 550 Posts |
I figured as much. Unfortunately, not all of are as fortunate enough to make it to a live training event though.
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hypnokid Regular user 172 Posts |
In the UK, pubs tend to be where we go to have fun. Impromptu hypnosis can be fun. Derren Brown has made mind control cool and interesting over here and many people, when the opportunity arises, are interested in experiencing hypnosis. In my experience they all enjoy it. If you have the skills, the time and the inclination, why wouldn't you do it?
HK
Too much style to be a stage hypnotist.
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geekofspades New user PH 9 Posts |
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On 2011-07-26 11:21, Cyar wrote: Heya Cyar, that was actually what I had in mind for today. I planned to practice my inductions first then waking the up, but no full on hypnosis routine yet. I guess the one whose really stopping one from going for it is myself. Thanks! Jonathan |
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
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On 2011-07-26 17:26, snm wrote: It should be explained to North Americans that British pubs have a completely different atmosphere to American bars. For one thing they are far more brightly lit and may indeed be more conducive to this sort ot nonsens. I do think that "Impromptu Hypnosis" would be a far better title. The very title "Street Hypnosis" is very off putting to old fuddie-duddies like me. However, I am not the sort of person to frequent dens of depravity known as public houses and would never indulge in this odd manner of hypnosis. I think, in any event a good card trick would be more effective. However this young man has asked me how others started in this business. I shall therefore tell him my story. I have mentioned in the past that legendary stage hypnotist Paul Goldin advised me to take up stage hypnosis. I asked him how I would practice such a thing. He instructed me to practice to the table and chairs at home and just imagine that the invisible subjects would do as they were supposed to do. He told me to get my patter, or if you prefer that pretensious world "script" completely mastered. He then told me just to go out and do it which I considered to be a mite terrifying. I asked him if I should stooges for the first few shows and he told me not to and in fact never to use stooges, despite the fact that I heard rumours he was not above using them himself. Before I met Paul I had actually experimented with hypnosis trying to do it with individual subject and got absolutely nowhere. However, when Paul told me that hypnosis was a load of baloney my whole attitude changed and I found it much easier to do. I did find it helped me tremendously to believe hypnosis was tosh since I stopped worrying about all the stories that it was terribly dangerous. After all how can something that doesn't exist be dangerous? Now the next problem was to find an audience. I couldn't very well do a paid show in case the bloody thing didn't work so I looked for an unpaid show somewhere. However, I have never been very good at business so I couldn't even find a place to do it for nothing. However, all that changed when I started working psychic fairs. I was doing 30 minute lectures at these events as most psychics do at the fair to promote their services. I was lecturing on pscyhometry but abruptly changed tactics to do hypnosis demonstrations instead. The first time I did it, it worked perfectly and I was more astonished than the audience. But on many, many subsequent occasions it plain didn't work. However, I kept at it and eventually the day came when it worked nearly every time. And then I started to do paid gigs and these were actually easier to do since conditions at psychic fairs are not ideal for hypnosis demonstrations. And since then I haven't stopped. It is fair to say the first time I ever "hypnotised" anyone was actually on stage. And it is far easier to hypnotise someone in a group situation than it is one to one. The hard part is forming a decent show and that is going to take you ages I am afraid. |
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RSD Special user Toronto, Ontario 534 Posts |
[quote]On 2011-07-26 09:02, bobser wrote:
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You sound fairly hypnotised to me. Unless you can mention just one 'ground breaking discovery that you still haven't seen released in any other training material'. Forget the farting noises. Lots of guys his age can do that on command. I can assure you Mark does not have me in any sort of hypnotic trance. You couldn't be further away from the truth. I said groundbreaking for the time. Mark says stuff in those videos that hypnotist back then would only say behind closed doors, forget about on a trainging video. While most training (especially back then) was filled with scientific mumbo jumbo and big words, Mark gave it from a different POV. Mark is fairly open in stating that he doesn't believe hypnosis (as most define it) exists. You are getting training from someone that goes against the grain of what we as hypnotists are supposed to believe. Im not saying Mark's training is all you need but, as a student of hypnosis, it would be ingorant to ignore a different form of training. With regards to giving away a secret from his videos, I don't think that is the prudent thing to do if Mark is still punting these things. I will tell you this, it helps gives students a better picture of what Mark beleives is actually happening, and boosts confidence levels, which IMHO is the most important thing for a hypnotist. And no, Mark is not selling a Dr. Q act. Sorry I didn't get your Shirley from Peru joke/reference - no witty comment from me. |
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RSD Special user Toronto, Ontario 534 Posts |
To answer the same question that Mark did (how do you become a hypnotist?), I will tell you one of my techniques. When I was at the right stage, I assembled friends on a regular basis, perhaps once or twice or month. I sit up chairs in my parents bassment and did a show with them - about 4 or 5 buddies. There was no audience. I told them to pretend they were hypnotised. I told them to do exactly everything I told them to. They did. This helped me perfect my "script" and layout of the show. This is far more important that the scientific know how of hypnosis. Learn your show like the back of your hand. don't have notes of to the side.
When I started doing shows for the public, my show was set and polished. Of course there were some hicccups along the way. I pretty much told them the same thing as I told my friends..."Do exactly what I tell you to do." If anyone would like to know my credentials I will gladly share with them to show that I am not talking out of my rear-end. |
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
I couldn't figure out that Shirley for Peru thing either.
And yes. That "confidence" reference is very perceptive of RSD. When I first realised that hypnosis was bunk my confidence rose overnight and I realised that one day I would master this thing. At first I actually believed in the crap and all the big words and that slowed me down tremendously. That is why I think it is essential for someone who wishes to learn this stuff as quickly as possible to realise that it is a load of old hooey. It will boost their confidence very rapidly and they will make fast progress from that moment on. This is why I believe that ridiculous magic Café rule about not discussing whether hypnosis is real is quite detrimental to learning how to do this properly. I learned how to do this from a book. The only time I ever got advice from a stage hypnotist was a 15 minute conversation with Paul Goldin and another 15 minute conversation from a Calgary hypnotist that gave up the stage and became a hypnotherapist instead. I met him at a psychic fair in Calgary and he gave me some very valuable advice which I may share when I am in the mood. |
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snm Special user 550 Posts |
Mark,
While in the past, your posts have typically annoyed the crap out of me, I enjoyed reading the last few. They were very interesting to read and informative. It's slightly changed my opinion of you. Thanks for sharing and please continue to do so. Best Regards, SNM |
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
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On 2011-07-26 21:42, snm wrote: That will teach you not to jump to conclusions my boy. Quite frankly you are being most impertinent and not showing respect to your elders and betters. You must remember that teachers come in many forms. You don't have to like them but that shouldn't deter you from learning from them. Especially the street wise ones who are wise in the ways of the world and can tell true from false. I learned from one of the most streetwise hypnotists in tbe business. My 15 minute conversation with him changed my performing life. And if I hadn't had that 15 minutes RSD would probably not be making a living out of hypnosis today. We stand on the shoulders of giants and to me Paul Goldin was a giant. Very few Americans will have heard of him but he is a household name in Ireland to this day. As far as I am concerned he was the most charismatic stage hypnotist of the last century. Possibly the greatest scam artist too but I admired him all the more for it. Here is what I said about him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMO5wcDvqRI&feature=related |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
I have to confess that I enjoyed very much your Youtube interview Mark. No doubt about it, you are one highly seasoned entertainer and extremely interesting guy. Great clip. Thankyou.
Bob
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
That was part four. Did you see any of the other 6 parts? They were listed beside it, I think.
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
Let me tell you what the Calgary hypnotist said. I forget what the hell his name was. He had been a stage hypnotist but he didn't find the bar scene where he mostly performed to be a good thing for him since I think he mentioned he had a drink problem at one time and the temptation of working in bars was too much for him. He then became a hypnotherapist. I asked him which he preferred-the stage role or the hypnotherapy role. His answer quite surprised me. He said, "I prefer without question to be a hypnotherapist a thousand times over. I make far more money this way". I believed him too. I do know that Paul Goldin did very well with hypnotherapy after he left the stage and made a mint doing it. His clinics still live on after him to this day.
Anyway this Calgary guy gave me good advice about other hypnotists. He said, "Never tell them you are a beginner (I was at the time). Stage hypnotists are terribly arrogant aince they earn good money. They will give you no encouragement and try to discourage you, especially if they find you are new at it. I have seen your show and can assure you that they will not know how long you have been doing it unless you tell them. So don't tell them and they will treat you with more respect if they think you have been doing it for years" I have indeed found since that meeting that stage hypnotists are indeed generally very arrogant, although of course not all of them. However, the majority do sadly, fit that description. And of course it has something to do with how much money they earn just as the Calgary guy said. But here is the best advice he gave me and this applies to the actual show. At psychic fairs where I first learned how to do this stuff, the conditions are not ideal since the audiences are small and you are subject to a lot of outside noise from the fair itself. At one point during the induction some people just outside the lecture area were talking in very loud voices. I pulled aside the curtain separating the lecture area from the rest of the fair and put my finger to my lips indicating to these people to be quiet. They did look quite irritated. Afterwards the Calgary hypnotist advised me, "You don't need to do that. If you hear noise of any kind during the induction use it as part of the induction. Just say, 'any outside noises will not disturb you. Any outside noises you hear will put you further and further and deeper and deeper into trance.' and say it several times." I found this worked like a charm and it had a twofold benefit. One, is that it would give a strong hint to the people making the noise that they should be quiet and two, it helped immensely to get the people "under" since it used the noise and distraction itself to actually deepen the trance. This has stood me in great stead over the years and I highly recommend the procedure to the rest of you. I still remember in the middle of the show when I was doing the induction a really LOUD fire alarm went off accidentally. I used this technique thinking it would not work on this occasion since the noise was so bloody loud and in fact I think it actually woke them all up but I still soldiered on with it and repeated it several times and it did save the day in the end. Very useful advice from that Calgary guy, I must say. I wish I could remember his name. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Although I have 2 x surgeries I used to work from home. Home is a cottage and my next door neighbour is a retired sea captain who now makes fishing creels. Therefore lots of hammering. But never has it ever caused any problems. Indeed, when I mentioned it to the patient when they awoke they (all of them) would claim they heard nothing.
And yes, I would always talk about the hammering during the induction, actually USING it to induce.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2235 Posts |
Great interview Mark Lewis. I am enjoying and learning a lot from it. Many thanks!
Magic, Illusions, Juggling, Puppet & Parrot Show ^0^
http://www.louhilario.net |
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
Thank you, Lou. Incidentally, I shall ask you the same question that Bobser didn't answer. Did you see any of the other 6 segments or did you view that one segment alone?
And also, please give my sincere regards to maestro Paul Potassy when you see him. I know that you know him. I respect and admire very few magicians. He is one of them. |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
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I respect and admire very few magicians. Your general lack if respect is evident. |
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
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On 2011-07-29 05:32, Zerububle wrote: And there is a reason for it. You are a tiny part of that reason. |
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
Please elaborate
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*Mark Lewis* V.I.P. 1325 Posts |
Certainly. And remember that I have seen you work.
I don't like incompetence but I can put up with it. I don't like egotistical magicians but I can put up with them. However, when the incompetence is combined with the egotism I am afraid it is too much for me. That is why I have detested most magicians my entire life. |
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