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Lord Freddie
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As th bizarre community is a smallish one within the magic world and I have found the members to be supportive of the art, I was very shocked to find that one of our own had placed a copy of The Mystic Menagerie on a download site!

Luckily, we were able to identify the guilty person and take the relevant action, but it has astonished me somewhat as the MM is a niche Market magazine which is fuelled by the love of the art.

I advise any of you with publications available to check out google now and again as some members of our small community are not as nice as they may seem...
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Freddie is right, ok there was only 17 downloads BUT that's not the point. As a victim of intellectual property theft (I've been told that the CSI copy being sold in China is one of the best selling effects at the moment! Am I pig sick or what!?) there are a few steps you can take to keep an eye on your books etc.

- Open a gmail account and use Google Alerts, type in the alert you want i.e. if I was Paul Voodini I would type 'Paranormal Entertainer' for example. Every day I will then get an e-mail from google showing me all the sites that 'Paranormal Entertainer' shows up on. It will only show new sites so you don't get a massive list everyday. I use this for all of my effects, name etc to keep an eye on who is saying what and uploading my work to file sharing sites. It one gets flagged up I report it and it gets removed.

It's a pain but it works.....
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I'm shocked and appalled by this!!!!

I hope the name of this person has been passed on to other dealers so they can decide whether or not to continue supplying them.
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Lord Freddie
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We are deciding at the moment whether to name and shame them, but have given them a chance to respond first. I am really shocked and disgusted by this as, in the whole, the bizarre community is a great group of kindred spirits who support each other.
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Which issue was it?
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This is appalling that someone has done this. I will open a gmail account myself to try to keep on eye on my own work.
Lord Freddie
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It was issue 2.
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I am glad you were at least able to find out who was the guilty party.
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I honestly think that it COULD work. Piracy is totally out of control in the magic market -- and to a large extent in the broad mentalist market. But I would be prepared to support a similar initiative in the Bizarre market. Great idea.

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Lord Freddie
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I think we could start an initiative where if anyone finds any material on a download or torrent site, we inform the author(s) and the person responsible is put on a blacklist so people can decide whether they wish to sell to them I'm future.
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It's a pity; from my own point of view, I'd be happy to have my material lent to a friend - maybe even share a pdf, but the indiscriminate sharing on a torrent site is just lousy. It's also breaking even the most fundamental code of exposure, as I'm sure many the curious reader will look...
He/She should think on!
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On 2011-07-23 11:03, docsteve wrote:
It's a pity; from my own point of view, I'd be happy to have my material lent to a friend - maybe even share a pdf, but the indiscriminate sharing on a torrent site is just lousy. It's also breaking even the most fundamental code of exposure, as I'm sure many the curious reader will look...
He/She should think on!


IMAO, There is way too much easy exposure of magic secrets to those who really don't want to learn magic to perform it. It took me a long time to be able to find a source to even buy some of the stuff I do, but then, magic secrets were kept better years ago. Probably, a lot of the exposure isn't even done by performing magicians but by others who are curious and want to show how much they know to feed an ego. I agree with you Doc, most of us wouldn't mind our stuff being loaned to a friend or shared with another magician but to put it on a public download is just bad manners and inconsiderate of the art....

To show my support, give me the name and I will film their embalming and put it on a public download. After all, on the embalming table not even Victoria has any secrets...
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Lord Freddie
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Lol! It surprises me because our magazine is easy to access to those that want it and deliberately not expensive (some mags charge $15 per issue!)
I'm just perplexed as to this man's motivation...
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It is odd, he has purchased all issues but has only uploaded issue 2, anway the copyright theft wheels have been set in motion and Scribd are investigating - unti I get a response he'll be black listed. Congratulations 'Mr T', you're the first on what I hope will be a very small list!
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There is a saying that "information wants to be free." Unfortunately, some people mistake making ideas free with stealing people's hours of work and creativity. As a victim of intellectual property theft myself, there is little that can be done to prevent it. In my case, people have literally taken the time to scan hundreds of pages and make it illegally available. I've come to the conclusion that many people think if something is in a digital format, it's public domain. As a result, some thieves don't even understand that they're stealing.

So one approach to resolving this is doing frequent checks to see if any of the usual theft sites (you hear me, Scribd?) have your works posted. They'll take it down if you complain. That's what I do.

Some of the less public sharing sites will ignore complaints, but few people know about them.

Another alternative (gulp!) is to give some of your work away. If you sell hard copies of your works, some writers have found that by making digital copies available for free, people will buy the paper copy. It seems counterintuitive, but for some people it has actually increased sales. Some people who have numerous works available will make some available for free and find that the sales of their other works increases.

We live in a new world where the concept of intellectual property is becoming meaningless and we are forced to look for new solutions. I don't know what the answer is, but this horrible experience for you is, unfortunately, just the tip of a monstrous iceberg. Intellectual property theft is a hydra--stop one and a dozen more will pop up. If you have a solution, I hope you'll share it.
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Off with his (her) head
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Another option is to use an e-book format that can be password, copy, and computer protected. It's a pain but probably the best solution.
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Pleased to say its not this Mr T chaps .In my naieve (?) years I attempted to acess Limewire download site ,only to be greeted with more viruses than you could shake a stick at ....lesson learned rather rapidly ....
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The Mr T we refer to is a French gentleman.
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On 2011-07-23 13:10, Lord Freddie wrote:
The Mr T we refer to is a French gentleman.


I'm glad you identified him.

Tony (Not a Frenchman)
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