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John Jerde Regular user 192 Posts |
Alright,
I am fairly new to coin magic. I have a few dvd's and can perform all the basic sleights. My question is for you serious coin workers. What is the best way to learn? Should I master one routine at a time? Work on 3 or 4 at a time? I own In the Beginning, Mirage Et Tois, Metal, and some of MB's stuff. I have a set of Walking Liberties, Morgans(replicas), Kennedy's, and a hopping halves set. Basically I have PLENTY of material. I would like to get a good 1 coin routine, I found this one online, pretty sweet http://youtu.be/n_0PaxNy9B4 I guess I could just slowly, move by move, figure it out. I feel caught the coin magic bug and probably bought too much too soon. I would love all feedback, thoughts, and ideas. |
The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
Don't use that video as a model for a one coin routine. While there are some interesting ideas in there, there are also a lot of problems.
* Not enough pausing to let the effects sink in, no time misdirection to separate moves from effects * Unconvincing acquitments * Some weak false transfers * Some poor retreats of supposedly empty hand after a false transfer * Upward hand motion on the muscle pass * Poor body choreography on the final load One coin routines are interesting to us because they dazzle, and they allow us to show off our skills with a bunch of effects. Wait a bit before getting into those, or else you'll risk ending up with something that's basically glorified juggling. I'd recommend picking one good routine and working on it as much as possible, while at the same time refining the key coin sleights (false transfers, steals, concealments, etc.). Also, while Hopping Halves is a good trick, try not to get too sucked into fancy coins. You can do wonderful stuff with regular change.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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John Jerde Regular user 192 Posts |
Thanks Andrew. Great points about one coin. I guess I never really thought of that.
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Wizard of Oz Inner circle Most people wish I didn't have 5150 Posts |
Card magic seems to get a lot of the attention and glory in magic, but a well-done coin routine is like watching a beautiful ballet.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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satellite23 Elite user 424 Posts |
I suggest going one routine at a time, or at least mastering a few moves to create your own personal routine. I have always found books and DVD's terrible for learning actual routines, because then it feels as though you are not original and are a cookie-cutter magician. If you learn a few moves and can do them well, then you can create your own routine and build from there. I'll PM you with a few ideas.
I would suggest looking into J.B. Bobo's Modern Coin Magic. I'm not specifically a coin magician, but I have read this book and was appalled at all the stuff that was in there. I took a few moves and came up with a solid routine that I still love to perform. |
Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts |
Put everything you have into totally nailing the following before you go forward with coins:
Classic Palm in both hands. Be able to take it out and place it back with the middle fingers of those hands' Finger Palm both hands and transfer from finger to classic and back again. Nail just that and almost everything that comes after will be so much simpler. One problem with coins is that 'generally' the initial learning curve is so much greater than cards. It just is and it defeats many beginners. Forget time. Just get your Classic palm and finger palm down and working together. Guarantee this will pay huge dividends although it will sometimes seem like it's taking forever. Just hang in and go for precision and smoothness. Look at your hands hanging relaxed without coins in Classic Palm. Attempt to reproduce that look as closely as possible. NOTE: ASSUME that you CAN get it perfect. It will seem like you can not at first, but remember you will be using small muscle groups in a manner that no one but magicians use them and they will need to be developed over time. As they develop they will be able to offer more control of the coins. Just hand in. Best,
Brad Burt
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philip tilston New user 58 Posts |
I agree with Brad. Learn the fundamentals first. It may be frustrating at times but it will be worth it later.
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shamsiel Regular user 120 Posts |
I agree with Brad as well. I chose coins to begin with. It has been a pain in the $%%. But I am getting better. I don't have a mentor so I have had to learn from Bobo and from a DVD. But to tell you the truth, I don't skip to the advanced stuff because where I am at it will bring a lot of cursing and frustration.
My practice set up: A roll of half dollars I got at the bank, about ten Morgans, and a few cool coins I have come across. Add to that a coin mat I made from some memory foam thing I found at Michael's and black felt stapled to the wooden base. No gaffs, or tricks. I just practice the basics and sometimes create something from those basic moves to show the worst audience ever -family and friends-. My advice, get good at the basics and then things will one day just begin flowing. Respects, Shamsiel |
mahucharn Elite user 418 Posts |
Do most big banks still carry halves? The only big ones near me are Wells Fargo and Chase.
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Weisszach New user Manchester, UK 70 Posts |
Agree with Brad, need to nail the CP and FP. I worked in an office so I would try to CP while typing and basically held a coin in CP whilst I did my everyday jobs.
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Weisszach New user Manchester, UK 70 Posts |
Agree with Brad, need to nail the CP and FP. I worked in an office so I would try to CP while typing and basically held a coin in CP whilst I did my everyday jobs.
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John Jerde Regular user 192 Posts |
K. Thanks for the advice everyone. Time to practice.
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