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Davit Sicseek
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On 2011-07-30 14:08, innercirclewannabe wrote:
Cowell's success was based on his knowledge of "Bygone" TV and how the variety show format would still work, allbeit with a direct marketing ploy to make him rich, i.e. The Phone Vote.


And you don't think that Fool Us is making the variety show format work as well? Seems you want to take away the thing that makes it work!!!
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Which is why we all need to remember: as magicians, our foremost goal is to entertain our audience. Our presentations should make our audience feel a sense of wonder and astonishment, not foolish or conned. The fact that we know a secret should never imply that we are in any way more intelligent or clever than our audience.
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"Fact of the matter is that people like to be fooled, they like to have things exposed to them."

Well they are in for a major disappointment at my show then as I don't go out to fool them/make fools of them and I won't be telling them how it's done either!

I provide entertainment for people who want to be entertained. Not perform for aggressive people out to get their selves noticed.
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On 2011-07-30 14:14, Louis Lu wrote:
Which is why we all need to remember: as magicians, our foremost goal is to entertain our audience. Our presentations should make our audience feel a sense of wonder and astonishment, not foolish or conned. The fact that we know a secret should never imply that we are in any way more intelligent or clever than our audience.


Exactly! However that is not what this show promotes. That is the whole point.
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No Davit, the point that I am making is in direct response to your post which said - "You might like a show where people just 'entertain us' or some cabaret type variety act where artists and wheeled on in order to do a turn - but that type of show is a relic of decades past".

Relic or not - it still works today.
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Wow this has actually turned into an interesting debate rather than the slagathon that it normally turns into.

Well done all!

(and I'm not doing too badly with two very bad eyes. (Eye op last Tuesday!) Vision is over-rated! Smile
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Yes I could never "See" what all the fuss about Vision was!
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On 2011-07-30 14:27, innercirclewannabe wrote:
Yes I could never "See" what all the fuss about Vision was!


If I told you I was reading this through the lid of a pepper pot*, you wouldn't believe me!

* Complicated but the drops I'm on open up the iris to maximum and eyes can't see fine detail like that - So the holes in the pepper pot lid acts as a closed down iris for a week until I get off these drops. (I wish I was making this up! Smile )
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Wow!
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On 2011-07-30 14:20, innercirclewannabe wrote:
No Davit, the point that I am making is in direct response to your post which said - "You might like a show where people just 'entertain us' or some cabaret type variety act where artists and wheeled on in order to do a turn - but that type of show is a relic of decades past".

Relic or not - it still works today.


My point is that such a show is no longer enough on its own. There has to be an angle.
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Well, I will agree to disagree with you on this. If you think that Britains got Talent is anything more than a rehash of a 70's style variety show, well that's where we can't agree.

If the angle you keep referring to is "Phone Vote", well then, I have already made this point.

Anyway, P & T is on in one hour's time.
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On 2011-07-30 14:53, Davit Sicseek wrote:
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On 2011-07-30 14:20, innercirclewannabe wrote:
No Davit, the point that I am making is in direct response to your post which said - "You might like a show where people just 'entertain us' or some cabaret type variety act where artists and wheeled on in order to do a turn - but that type of show is a relic of decades past".

Relic or not - it still works today.


My point is that such a show is no longer enough on its own. There has to be an angle.


Then have the cheap and tacky angle where it's a competition with a public phone vote if that is all the mindless TV producers can churn out nowadays, but why does the angle have to be a negative one like this show has.

It seems to be an excuse to justify anything. And in this case the need for an angle does not justify all the negatives I listed above.

And those negatives are not doing any of us any favours. Promoting magicians as something to expose and mentalists to debase. Time spent on a lay forum will shock some here as to how they rate magicians as the lowest of the low and how ruining them is almost a public service for which they deserve praise.
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That was as good as Card Magic gets in my opinion. I am not a card fan, but that was super!
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Not just a great trick but an excellent performance.Very entertaining.
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Wow just back from the lay people's forum that I watch during the show to find out what the real world is doing and they have actually gone to all the trouble of downloading an illegal copy of Colin's DVD and posted the entire workings of his bookless book test.

That is what is happening out in the real world as a direct result of this show. They will stop at nothing to ruin the magician and this show promotes that.
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Ah! another Russian roulette / mentalism trick bites the dust.

Time to drop all such routines like a brick!
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I am not surprised to read Shrubsole's last post. I wrote it last week & I will write it again, I will not be sad to see this show end.

I wonder if they called the show "Penn and Teller Entertain us" would that have stopped what Shrubsole just reported.
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On 2011-07-30 16:29, innercirclewannabe wrote:
I am not surprised to read Shrubsole's last post. I wrote it last week & I will write it again, I will not be sad to see this show end.

I wonder if they called the show "Penn and Teller Entertain us" would that have stopped what Shrubsole just reported.


Maybe, maybe not, but it at least it would not make it acceptable or in fact the whole point in watching a magician being to expose them. This show promotes and makes acceptable the nasty aliments of magic.
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Now that was a routine of many parts!
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P & T routine should be right up your street Shrubsole. Ross said that it will have you running to your optican!
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