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Neale Bacon
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I want to make one from a Canadian loon. Any suggestions on what to put the hole in it with?

I was thinking if it was scored and then punched? I don't want a round hole, I want the jagged bent-out type hole.
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sdgiu
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Neale
I think I know what you are looking for, and your idea will work.
Another idea would be to use a special stone masons chisel, that is shaped in a plus + type configuration.
Placed in the center of the coin, (if sharpened corectly) you should be able to punch through in 2-3 blows.
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Sid Mayer
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Neale,

You can achieve exactly what you want by having someone shoot a large caliber bullet through the coin.
I am, of course, assuming that such an action doesn't violate Canadian law.

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Slim King
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I saw that done in a western movie. So that's what he was making! I thought that he was just showing off.
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Eldon
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Dremel Tool, Dremel Tool, Dremel Tool,
Cut an X in the center of the coin with the cutting wheel of the tool then punch through the center.
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With a large nail, center punch, etc..., right.
Only if you have verrrrrryyyyyyy small hands Smile can you actually punch through the center of a coin.

Hmmmm Smile , or perhaps I am wrong, is this part of the Karate Coin mystique? I don't actually know the workings of the trick. Smile
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Neale Bacon
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The trick is that you borrow a coin and tell people you know karate (and 10 other chinese words...old line I know)

You then appear to punch your INDEX FINGER through the centre of the coin.

Smile
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BroDavid
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Isn't the loonie a two-material coin?

I guess I am not sure now, since I only have twoonies that I use in the no-gimmick Scotch and Soda effect that I got from friend Peter Marucci of Canada....

But I was thinking the loonie and twoonie looked about the same except for size....

If I am wrong, just chalk it up to me being yank.

Anyway, I would think that if it is two materials, that would give you some additional challenges if the materials separate when punched out.

Otherwise if it is only one material, I agree that cutting an X with a dremell (or maybe one more cut evenly spaced with the other two) and then by rigging up a hydraulic jack as a press, you could force a finger sized center punch though it.

Be careful though, since if you have pressure on it, and it goes sideways, someone or something could get hurt.

Just my twoonie cents worth......

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Actually the loonie and twoonie are similiar in size, but the twoonie is perfectly round and the loonie is a undecagon(11 sides). Also the loonie is only one material, unlike the twoonie which has a center piece and an outer ring (kinda like a euro).

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Michael Messing
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Neale,

Send me a "PM" with your e-mail address and I'll give you the e-mail of a friend of mine who is manufacturing the version of Karate Coin being distributed by Murphy's Magic Supplies.

He's a nuclear metallurgist! I'm sure he can work it out to put a hole in the loonie for you, if you send him a couple to work on.

His Karate Coin is really cool. To see his version, go to: http://www.murphysmagicsupplies.com/index2.html and do a search on Karate Coin Ed Ripley.

You can see his coin really looks like it should.
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Not for nothin' but Karate is a Japanese word.
altoni
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I've been wanting to make one of these for a while now. Thanks for the great tips.

Al
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I also agree, the dremmel works well, but try this technique. Draw a star on the side to cut with a dry erase marker. Cut the coin from the center to each point but don't cut all the way through the coin with the cutting disk. Then drill a hole in a piece of wood slightly smaller than the size of the coin and use a blunt object like the head of a nail rather than the point to break the rest of the metal through. It will look more realistic than the straight cuts. Be sure to soften the edges, as they will be sharp.
Erik Anderson
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I tend to think using a coin stretches credibility just too far. Poke a hole (and your finger) through whatever matchbook is available in the restaurant or bar you're working in and bend a few of the matches out either side just to complete the look. Then ask the bartender to toss you a matchbook. It's actually stronger than using a coin because, well...you know, it just really MIGHT be possible...maybe. And that little doubt in their minds will bug them all night.
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Harry Murphy
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Our friend Mr. EAnderson is absolutely right about the matchbook trick!

I was a Karate coin addict for a couple of years. It was my favorite “impromptu” trick. Then one year ('88) at the MAES convention Karol Fox killed me by doing the Karate Matchbook exactly as EAnderson describes.

A number of Magicians were sitting at the bar showing off and talking trash. There was a bowl of matchbooks on the bar (smoking was not as taboo in those distant days!) and Mr. Fox, holding a cigar, asked me to toss him a book of matches. He was sitting about five seats down. I did and ZAP he speared it (apparently) with his forefinger. Karate Matchbook!

You could have heard a pin drop from the magicians gathered! He stunned us. Talk about having something to give away (you’d never give your coin away!)!
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Erik Anderson
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Harry,
Thank you for your recollection. I appreciate also that it was a firsthand account. I am a big Karrel Fox fan. The man had an amazing affinity for making the simplest things into absolute stunners. His methods were ALWAYS direct and uncomplicated, and the results were always FUN.

I can't remember where I first heard about the matchbook idea, but now that you mention it, I wouldn't doubt that's where I originally heard about it. (I'm going to have to pull his stuff out of my library and look it over again.)

And, yes, it makes a terrific giveaway.

- Erik
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Shenaniganz
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Use a piece of wood to poke the hole, that way you wont have any scratches. I made one using a big socket, a piece of broom handle, and a vise.
magictim
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I have built Karate Coins before. I had the smallest titanium coated drill bit I could get and sawed a point right in the middle and widened the hole to feed a coping saw blade in and cut out the jagged edges. I used a ball hammer and vice to bend the jagged edges out.
Phred
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As a belated response to Sid's question; it is unlawful in Canada and the U.S. to deface currency. That being said, I do not expect the "coin cops" would charge anyone for making or using a karate coin for performance purposes ;-0
sdgiu
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Whoa, Harry, & EA
Just hearing about the "Karate Matchbook" idea has me so excited, that the rest of this post will probably just sound like mindless babbling.

To actually take something so "familiar", simple, & easy to make, and use it in an effect of this sort, has no downside.

Because, as you said, it seems just on the edge of possibility.

Like Brick breaking. (which although improbable in itself, can be duplicated even if you are not a student of Karate.)

Unlike the Karate coin, which although a great trick, is, as we have seen, difficult to make, and most people will realize is a gimmick.

Putting your finger thru the matchbook is something people may actually try to duplicate, long after they see the trick.

Great idea, thanks and,
Godspeed
Steve Smile

Ps I don't know about Canada, but in the US of A, the only way the "defacing currency" laws will be enforced
(correction, are supposed to be enforced),
is if you deface the currency "AND THEN" try to spend it. Otherwise, it is considered your property, and you may do with it as you please.

Actually the government would prefer that you "permanently" take as much currency out of circulation as you want. Thus helping decrease inflation. Smile
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