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Magicmagician83
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You guys are paying a hundred dollars for a can of clear plasti dip spray. LOL
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Your wrong... ha ha ha.
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Yes, You're wrong Magicmagician83....

You get a DVD and templates with it as well for that $100.00.

Oh and a plastic wallet.
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The essence of this (and this was debated ad nauseum in the threads) is that the products may be similar in terms of what is I the can but they are not the same.

Since I tesetd both side by side myself out of curiosity - I found that the PD did not last more than a few uses on a card and quickly started to peel off. The SF was good for 100+ uses on a typical card.

In addition the DVD and routines are gold - very well produced.
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Let's try a Gedankenexperiment - a thought experiment. We don't have to actually do this, just reason it out in our heads.

Give to twenty people twenty cans of plastidip spray. Give to a different group of twently people twenty Science Friction kits. Talk to all 40 in a week or two and report on the findings. What do you think the difference will be?

For the second round, imagine rather than twenty + twenty random people, you select twenty + twenty random magicians. Give half of the magicians a can of plastidip spray and give the other half of the magicians Science Friction kits. Talk to all 40 magicians in a week or two. Will there be any significant difference?

Are the development of the idea and the instruction which is part of the kit worth little to nothing or do those things make all the difference in the world? We know a few who think the development and the instruction are close to worthless, but others know where the real value resides. It isn't in the can.

This is something many magicians have come to understand and they don't mind rewarding the thinkers and inventors by purchasing their effects even if they can suss out the method and make it themselves.
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Thank you and well said, DelMagic.

I don't know how long PD is already on the market (and actually I don't really care), but if they are so similar, why did no magician ever thought about using it in the past? It was Alexander Koelle who found this German wonderspray that we then refined to make it working for us magicians.

Actually, sometimes when I see the prices of a single can of PD on Amazon USA and the price we have to pay to get our own stuff bottled here in Germany in huge quantities for a much higher price per bottle....I wish that both would be the same to safe a lot of money by just relabeling PD. You guys have no idea how much money is involved in such a production run.

The next tricky part that I did not know when I decided to start a partnership with Alexander to release this revolutionary spray was the shipping of SF. If you like you can try to ship a can of aerosole spray by airfreight. As these are declared as dangerous goods and have to be treated in a totally different way, only few freight companies offer that, but for a price that is several times higher than regular shipping. That is why we still cannot sell SF to Asia, Japan and Eastern Europe, even if there would be a huge market and demand. You have no idea what it cost us to ship a part of the German production over to our warehouse in the USA, it was half a fortune. (So even that reason was tempting to use PD to reduce all the hassle.)

Certainly, based on all the accusations and false statements, we bought and tested PD and compared it with our SF. Come on guys, be serious, there are a lot of differences in quality and the end product. SF is so far ahead of PD that we will definitely continue producing SF in Germany... and will go the hard way of shipping it overseas for an extremely high price.

Finally, do the maths and you will understand how reasonably priced SF is. For 95 US$ you get brilliant ideas, a closed forum to share ideas and get help, a deck of gaffed cards produced at USPC, a high-class leather wallet, spraying templates, a DVD of three hour material...oh yes, and not to forget a spray that will last for guaranteed 600 gimmicks (with three coatings; with two coatings you will get 900 gimmicks)! The gimmicks last as long as your deck of cards lasts, how long does it take you to go through 600 decks? Ten years?

Every owner of SF can also buy a cheap refill can, so far, after having SF released 18 months ago, we sold 3 refill cans. To guys who use SF for their own developed effects that they sell at their lectures. A regular user of SF will be able to use the single SF can for years.

So my advice is that:
Use whatever you want to use. Take beercoasters and try to do card magic with them. Use hairspray and try to make up your own ID. But don't try to "educate" people what they should do to "safe money".
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Please Card-Shark, don't react to stupid remarks as from Magicmagician83. They are not worth it.
Those who have Science Friction know better.
Thanks again for creating this fantastic product.

If I may add: PD is also a useful industrial product. Helas, if you use it with playing cards, it is worthless.
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Well I am a MFing idiotic moron then.
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On 2013-02-19 15:01, Card-Shark wrote:

I don't know how long PD is already on the market (and actually I don't really care), but if they are so similar, why did no magician ever thought about using it in the past?


Kenton Knepper did years ago. In 2002 his booklet Sorcerer Series #2 introduced it. In 2006 he marketed a trick, the Khameleon Deck ( an incredible color changing deck ), that used PD.
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Very interesting thread !!! Gotta try this.
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If you're in the U.S. and want to try out Science Friction, Delicious Ambitious by Alexander Kolle is fantastic! It comes with a DVD and 4 treated cards.

Here's a trailer:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/2953
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An alternative effect and I think even stronger than Delicious Ambitious is One Card Collector, the same price of only 15$ incl. treated cards.

You can find it on our website under new releases.

I read the Kenton Knepper lecture brochure where the named effect is in. Not sure if he really mentioned PD but I doubt it. It seemed that the effect had a lot less publicity, so I guess it stood under the radar the recent years.
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On 2013-02-20 03:38, Magicmagician83 wrote:
Well I am a MFing idiotic moron then.


Yes you are.
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On 2013-02-20 15:20, TheGreatRaymondo wrote:
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On 2013-02-20 03:38, Magicmagician83 wrote:
Well I am a MFing idiotic moron then.


Yes you are.


Agree.
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Wow. You guys make me glad I am in such a welcoming profession.
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I will admit that I do own Delicious Ambitious and I love it to death. However I can not find a reason to pay 100 bucks for science friction no matter what it is or what it comes with. In my experience it works no better than regular roughing fluid that is applied correctly. Also, the new stuff that is applied like nail polish would even be an easier way to apply it. I have had much luck with Elmer's flexible and 2-way glue pens (Chek out Changin' Glue by Anthony Owens.) that when allowed to dry gives you a rubber like softly sticky residue on the back of the card that is virtually invisible. Here are some other issues with science friction I discovered.

1. Because it can be removed and reapplied, it tends to bead up slightly and actually come off the card even if handled lightly.
2. It is not undectable. It can be easily felt and seen if the light hits it right.
3. It can, despite what the ad says, pick up minute dust and dirt. This is not as much as you would think but it is noticable after a short while.

The good news is the stuff works pretty well if you can handle the above problems. The cards stick together nicely and can be seperated easily. If applied like in delicious ambitious it can be a dream to work with. But I do not like that it flakes off. So again, I do not see the logic in paying 100 bucks for that stuff when I can get a tube of 2 way glue that works just as well for two dollars at Wal-Mart. That's all I have to say about that.
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On 2013-02-22 01:42, Magicmagician83 wrote:
Wow. You guys make me glad I am in such a welcoming profession.


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Wait a minute.
You laugh & ridicule the people that bought SF and you expect to be welcomed????

You said:

"You guys are paying a hundred dollars for a can of clear plasti dip spray. LOL"

First of all, perhaps they can afford it and you can't. LOL
Second they have SF and you have Plasti Dip. LOL
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I can't watch videos on my phone, but was hoping someone would give me a quick run-down on what this spray allows you to do with cards, or rather a quick comparison of it with regular roughing spray. (advantages?)
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Ihop, you mean the civil people skills that you just showed? I'll pass.
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I'm just trying to explain to you why you feel that you're not welcome.
Just be nice.
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