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NO NO NO NO!!!!! There should be NOOOOO evaluation by actors by ANY method. It would simply be unfair, biased, and too open for abuse!!! That's the whole problem with the movie industry today. Actors are paid WAY too much based on results which is inheritly unfair to all other actors.

You're obviously missing the whole point of this exercise.
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It's too bad Screen Actors don't have the same kind of union rules that teachers have. Then Matt would only get paid the same amount that others with his number of years experience would get paid. Not that he would mind, he does it for the love of acting anyway. Since we realize that no one is a great actor overnight and real quality only comes with years in the business, actors for the latest block busters would probably be based on seniority. The next Bourne Experience would probably star Dolph Lundgren.

Come on guys, you too can contribute. What other rules would the movie studios follow if this were the case?


This is a classic post, and should be reproduced on any website publicizing Damon's comments.

I'd also add that there's really no accurate way to measure acting performance, anyway, so any attempt to qualitatively differentiate between actors would only be polluted by bias and politics.

Agreed. All actors should be evaluated by the results of a standardized test that audiences take measuring the quality of their emotional responses and capacity for empathy. Any actor who does not sufficiently improve his/her audience's capacity for empathy by at least 15% a year, to rise to 100% proficiency by the year 2016 should be fired.


I think the operative word you missed in my post was "ANY (attempt to qualitatively...)"
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What is the meaningful analogy between actors and teachers again?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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What is the meaningful analogy between actors and teachers again?


Sort of depends what you mean by "meaningful."
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On 2011-08-05 17:27, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
What is the meaningful analogy between actors and teachers again?

Apart from the fact that both teachers and actors have unions?

Not much, really.
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On 2011-08-05 17:27, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
What is the meaningful analogy between actors and teachers again?

Actors and teachers are similar in many respects.

Topologically, for example.
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On 2011-08-05 17:27, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
What is the meaningful analogy between actors and teachers again?

Actors and teachers are similar in many respects.

Topologically, for example.
In broad terms, maybe. But we all know actors do not have pores... unless they're being filmed in HD (at which point the act of observation causes sweat glands and acne to be spontaneously generated.)
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What's the 'meaningful' difference that doesn't make the suggestion of hypocrisy inapposite? While reaping the tremendous benefits of an industry that rewards some and forces others into alternative lines of work, he rails against any attempt to distinguish between people in another industry. Are 98% of teachers REALLY fungible?
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On 2011-08-05 17:27, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
What is the meaningful analogy between actors and teachers again?

Actors and teachers are similar in many respects.

Topologically, for example.


Ok you got me there.
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Actually, I think the differences, if anything, argue the other way.

What do we as a society care if horrible actor Joe Dingledangle grinds out a living playing "Lefthanded Bartender #3" in "Oh Vodka, My Vodka"? Conversely, sure, we like Sandra Bullock, but what would we really lose as a society if she pulled a Grace Kelly and gave it all up to be Princess of West Eastlandia? Yet under the current system, Bullock is as incentivized as all get-out to remain an actress, and poor Joe Dingledangle can easily be forced to get a day job if he's judged to be not good enough. Meanwhile, we offer the best teacher in the world less money than anyone else in the same district who happens to have started earlier, and it's all but impossible to fire the Joe Dingledangle of teaching, despite entrusting the education of hundreds of children to him each year. We accept that people are empowered to make the decision to get rid of bad actors, but tolerate excuse upon excuse for why bad teachers should remain in the classroom.
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On 2011-08-05 17:03, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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Agreed. All actors should be evaluated by the results of a standardized test that audiences take measuring the quality of their emotional responses and capacity for empathy. Any actor who does not sufficiently improve his/her audience's capacity for empathy by at least 15% a year, to rise to 100% proficiency by the year 2016 should be fired.


I think the operative word you missed in my post was "ANY (attempt to qualitatively...)"

What I've said more than once now is that while in theory there may be a good way to evaluate teachers (please tell me what, though) in reality, and a very sick reality it is, the evaluations are exactly those to which I've ascribed to our hypothetical actors.
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What's the 'meaningful' difference that doesn't make the suggestion of hypocrisy inapposite? While reaping the tremendous benefits of an industry that rewards some and forces others into alternative lines of work, he rails against any attempt to distinguish between people in another industry. Are 98% of teachers REALLY fungible?

Not what he said at all.
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What I've said more than once now is that while in theory there may be a good way to evaluate teachers (please tell me what, though)


Perhaps we could use the criteria by which you objectively claimed to know who the best ESL teacher in all of New York is.
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It's too bad Screen Actors don't have the same kind of union rules that teachers have. Then Matt would only get paid the same amount that others with his number of years experience would get paid.

That's not a bad idea for a public national theatre and has in fact been instituted in several instances. And of course, the whole point of the actors' unions is to insure there will be a minimum salary for every working actor whether you happen to be improved by them or not. But I'm with you, let's get more of those 98% unemployed artists working again as they were under the Federal Theatre Project in the 1930s.
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What I've said more than once now is that while in theory there may be a good way to evaluate teachers (please tell me what, though)


Perhaps we could use the criteria by which you objectively claimed to know who the best ESL teacher in all of New York is.

I doubt it. It would require at a minimum that the evaluators care about students. Please see the second half of my sentence that you quoted.
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Michael Moore: Matt Damon For President

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/09......740.html

Even though Matt only acts for the love of acting, thank god I doubt he'd be willing to take the pay cut.
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Michael Moore for Expatriate!
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Michael Moore for Expatriate!


No no no. Keep him there! Don't let him into Germany.
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