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I've fallen in love with a lesbian. Otherwise everything is honkey dorey.
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Well THAT'S a sticky widgit.

Let's see.
Convince her to change teams.
Tell her you're a lesbian too, trapped in a man's body.

...
Or move on. This too will pass.

Best of luck.
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That happens.
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Right. This too will pass.

What's really, truly the problem is that I'm bored out of my skull because the semester just ended.

Bu this is the wrong thread for that subject. Smile
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Stir crazy. We should start a society.
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You guys need hobbies. Ever mess around with magic?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2011-08-03 12:44, LobowolfXXX wrote:
You guys need hobbies. Ever mess around with magic?


Genuine Laugh Out Loud. Thank you.

John
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Not as funny as I've been picking my nose more lately.
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On 2011-08-03 12:44, LobowolfXXX wrote:
You guys need hobbies. Ever mess around with magic?


I don't believe in it.
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On 2011-08-03 12:53, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On 2011-08-03 12:44, LobowolfXXX wrote:
You guys need hobbies. Ever mess around with magic?


Genuine Laugh Out Loud. Thank you.

John


Thanks John...your response made *my* day.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2011-08-02 21:04, rockwall wrote:

And still your solution is to reward them all equally.

Damon's point is not that teachers should not get incentives, but most people infused with the MBA style "Market is God" thinking, such as the reporter questioning him, have no idea what teachers see as incentives.

Try a little experiment with your wife tonight as you lay in bed together. Ask her if she (and the teachers she knows) would do a better job with:

A) a $10,000/yr merit raise;
or
B) a class size cut by 10 students per class across the board.

I hope you ask her, and share the results.
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Rather than ask what would incentivize an individual teacher who is already on the job, ask which would better incentivize better candidates to make the choice to become a teacher in the first place
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I have no doubt that some incentives work better than others and that money is not always the best incentive. That however is not the point. The point is that the union system does not allow for any way to incentivize teachers to be better or punish or get rid of bad teachers. The only measure it uses is time in service which is a very poor measurement of quality.

While I think it's important to incentivize and attract good teachers, I think it even more important to have a mechanism to remove bad teachers. Bad teachers don't help anyone, particularly the students.

While John made the facitious comment about not seeing any problems, that's part of the problem with the unions. They are perfectly happy with the status quo and fight any attempts to improve the system if those changes put any pressure on teachers.

My wife doesn't work in a classroom so the question wouldn't really work with her.
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On 2011-08-04 11:24, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Rather than ask what would incentivize an individual teacher who is already on the job, ask which would better incentivize better candidates to make the choice to become a teacher in the first place


That's the decisive issue, IMO. Remember what I said about SAT scores above. The pool of wannabe teachers, compared to the pools of wannabe engineers, doctors, and lawyers, already reflects the lower desirability of teaching as a profession.

And Lobo, is "incentivize" really a word?
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Brace yourself for the response to the idea of getting rid of bad teachers...we've actually Beemer here once before.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Regarding class size: I've taught classes ranging from three to 750. Depending on what's being taught, class size ain't all that relevant.

At the university level, that is. Smile

In the war zone of K-12, three or four ornery, mischievous, demoralized, unmotivated punks can change the tone of a classroom.

But is that really a problem of class size? Or of punks in the classroom?
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This is just a guess, but I'm thinking there are probably a lot fewer new teachers than ones already working.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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On 2011-08-04 11:34, stoneunhinged wrote:

And Lobo, is "incentivize" really a word?


Absolutely! For about 40 or 50 years, I think. But you're the one with the OED. And I'm jealous.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I don't have a problem with getting rid of bad teachers, but I'd probably get red-faced and ready for fisticuffs about the definition of "bad". I learned quite a bit from the worst teachers I ever had. Should they have been fired? I learned from them, didn't I?

That brings me back to punks. IMHO, the worst problem in education to day is that kids don't learn soon enough that the burden is on them to learn, not on the teacher to somehow poor wisdom into their little punky heads like beer through a funnel at Spring Break.
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On 2011-08-04 11:39, LobowolfXXX wrote:
But you're the one with the OED. And I'm jealous.


Yeah...if only I could figure out how to use it here at home. I know there is a way, but I'm too stupid to figure it out.

I'm glad your jealous.
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