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http://www.freetalklive.com/content/rawe......_again_0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MVwdv5HBVQ

And before anyone starts ranting about this thread being misleading, here's a "headline" from los angeles county district attorneys office:

"Three Arrested on Charges of Illegally Producing, Selling Unpasteurized Milk"
Besides not mentioning the raid in the headline, says exactly the same thing I did, but with less commentary Smile

http://da.co.la.ca.us/mr/080311a.htm
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I'm assuming your position as stated in previous posts is that no products should be banned/regulated. Seems to me it has to be on a case by case basis. That said, the co-op was probably targeted for being a community hub of activism around food/health issues. If not raw milk, they would have been harassed for something else. In the larger scheme of things, it would seem there are a lot of better ways to use those law enforcement resources.
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Is there a libertarian board you can take this stuff? How do you find these things? Mobile alert?
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There are similar local issues about unpasteurized cheeses and honey. Some jurisdictions allow their sale and some do not.

I drink unpasteurized beer because I think it tastes better.

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On 2011-08-05 11:22, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:

I drink unpasteurized beer because I think it tastes better.



But I doubt unpasteurized beer will kill you. Unpasteurized milk however will.
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Europe seems to lose several people a year from unpasteurized cheeses. In Europe, I'd say it was worth the risk...but with the health of American beef and poultry, I think the laws are very protective, but necessary.
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On 2011-08-05 11:22, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:

I drink unpasteurized beer because I think it tastes better.



But I doubt unpasteurized beer will kill you. Unpasteurized milk however will.


"Will"???
How about "can?" And so can pasteurized milk.
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I applaud your title use, gdw. The operative word is permission.

The propaganda laden links you provided tried their best to mislead from the truth, but even they realize they need to provide it, even if they cram it so far in the end of the video that they have had several shots at sinking their propaganda harpoons into folks and blasting their emotional bullhorns at viewers.

The co-op refuses to get the permits necessary to produce and distribute unpasturized milk. Many folks who sell raw milk at Farmer's markets have done just that to take the steps to proclaim that they are following practices which do not endanger the public or their customers.

I'm assuming you prefer that anyone who wants can make raw milk or grow spinach and sell it in any manner they like, and the possible consequence of becoming violently ill or dieing from that product is just a part of that business and the unregulated market will correct that. I'm not sure those who have become ill or the families of those who have died from food poisonings and ecoli would agree with you.
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If I recall correctly Québec tried to regulate unpasteurized cheese and the people revolted. The political lesson is this: Never get between les Québecois and good food.

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Yes Tom, the operative word IS "permission," and if you have to ask for it, you are not free.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Must... not... respond... to... insanity...
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Must... not... respond... to... insanity...


I'm fighting that urge as well. I know what you're going thru
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Europe seems to lose several people a year from unpasteurized cheeses. In Europe, I'd say it was worth the risk...but with the health of American beef and poultry, I think the laws are very protective, but necessary.


One only has to read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" to understand why we have government regulations for our food supply. Private industry has been shown time and time again to be incapable of policing themselves or putting the peoples needs above corporate profits.

Libertarianism, like Socialism are hypothetical political systems and will not work in their purest form. But then neither will Democracy, Capitalism, Communism or any other form of governance. The best systems take bits and pieces of various ideologies and combines them into a system that best serves the needs of their peoples.
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. . . the operative word IS "permission," and if you have to ask for it, you are not free.

So, they're not free.

Neither would they be under any other form of government, nor under anarchy.

If that's the point, then I'm glad everyone's clear on it; this should end this thread, no?
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But then neither will . . . Capitalism . . . or any other form of governance.

Is capitalism a form of governance?

Economics, yes, but governance?
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Yes Tom, the operative word IS "permission," and if you have to ask for it, you are not free.
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Yes Tom, the operative word IS "permission," and if you have to ask for it, you are not free.
Ah so you do support the killing of people in the name of profit. Good to know.
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. . . the operative word IS "permission," and if you have to ask for it, you are not free.

So, they're not free.

Neither would they be under any other form of government, nor under anarchy.

If that's the point, then I'm glad everyone's clear on it; this should end this thread, no?


There is, then, nothing left of the first amendment, for example, in america.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Yes Tom, the operative word IS "permission," and if you have to ask for it, you are not free.
Ah so you do support the killing of people in the name of profit. Good to know.


What the hell are you talking about Tom?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Ah ha, you recognize it when someone mirrors you, just not when you are doing it.
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