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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts 
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http://www.freetalklive.com/content/rawe......_again_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MVwdv5HBVQ And before anyone starts ranting about this thread being misleading, here's a "headline" from los angeles county district attorneys office: "Three Arrested on Charges of Illegally Producing, Selling Unpasteurized Milk" Besides not mentioning the raid in the headline, says exactly the same thing I did, but with less commentary 
http://da.co.la.ca.us/mr/080311a.htm
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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I'm assuming your position as stated in previous posts is that no products should be banned/regulated. Seems to me it has to be on a case by case basis. That said, the co-op was probably targeted for being a community hub of activism around food/health issues. If not raw milk, they would have been harassed for something else. In the larger scheme of things, it would seem there are a lot of better ways to use those law enforcement resources.
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts
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Is there a libertarian board you can take this stuff? How do you find these things? Mobile alert?
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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There are similar local issues about unpasteurized cheeses and honey. Some jurisdictions allow their sale and some do not.
I drink unpasteurized beer because I think it tastes better. John
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts
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On 2011-08-05 11:22, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: But I doubt unpasteurized beer will kill you. Unpasteurized milk however will.
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts
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Europe seems to lose several people a year from unpasteurized cheeses. In Europe, I'd say it was worth the risk...but with the health of American beef and poultry, I think the laws are very protective, but necessary.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2011-08-05 11:38, Payne wrote: "Will"??? How about "can?" And so can pasteurized milk.
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5931 Posts
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I applaud your title use, gdw. The operative word is permission.
The propaganda laden links you provided tried their best to mislead from the truth, but even they realize they need to provide it, even if they cram it so far in the end of the video that they have had several shots at sinking their propaganda harpoons into folks and blasting their emotional bullhorns at viewers. The co-op refuses to get the permits necessary to produce and distribute unpasturized milk. Many folks who sell raw milk at Farmer's markets have done just that to take the steps to proclaim that they are following practices which do not endanger the public or their customers. I'm assuming you prefer that anyone who wants can make raw milk or grow spinach and sell it in any manner they like, and the possible consequence of becoming violently ill or dieing from that product is just a part of that business and the unregulated market will correct that. I'm not sure those who have become ill or the families of those who have died from food poisonings and ecoli would agree with you. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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If I recall correctly Québec tried to regulate unpasteurized cheese and the people revolted. The political lesson is this: Never get between les Québecois and good food.
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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Yes Tom, the operative word IS "permission," and if you have to ask for it, you are not free.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts
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Must... not... respond... to... insanity...
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts
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On 2011-08-05 12:03, critter wrote: I'm fighting that urge as well. I know what you're going thru |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts
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On 2011-08-05 11:48, Tom Jorgenson wrote: One only has to read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" to understand why we have government regulations for our food supply. Private industry has been shown time and time again to be incapable of policing themselves or putting the peoples needs above corporate profits. Libertarianism, like Socialism are hypothetical political systems and will not work in their purest form. But then neither will Democracy, Capitalism, Communism or any other form of governance. The best systems take bits and pieces of various ideologies and combines them into a system that best serves the needs of their peoples.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts
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On 2011-08-05 12:00, gdw wrote: So, they're not free. Neither would they be under any other form of government, nor under anarchy. If that's the point, then I'm glad everyone's clear on it; this should end this thread, no? |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts
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On 2011-08-05 12:16, Payne wrote: Is capitalism a form of governance? Economics, yes, but governance? |
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5931 Posts
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Quote: "Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Look, look, I'm being repressed."
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5931 Posts
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Quote: Ah so you do support the killing of people in the name of profit. Good to know.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2011-08-05 12:16, S2000magician wrote: There is, then, nothing left of the first amendment, for example, in america.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2011-08-05 12:34, Tom Cutts wrote: What the hell are you talking about Tom?
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5931 Posts
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Ah ha, you recognize it when someone mirrors you, just not when you are doing it.
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