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Been watching this documentary between studying for a final. It's really interesting. I have to say that it has completely reversed my opinion on the original McD's hot coffee story. I plan to read more about this when I have time.

I wouldn't try to tell anyone else what to think. I recommend watching the film, doing the research, and deciding for yourself.
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I actually learnt a lot about the full story with regards to the McD's coffee incident after my mother's car accident, and my parents ensuing never ending dealings with insurance companies afterwards.

I had actually worked on a proposal for a documentary focusing on similar stories and how many, even when they "win" are completely screwed in the end when dealing with insurance companies.
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http://hotcoffeethemovie.com/

not a nice story and kinda scary too.
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Excellent documentary.
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It's amazing how badly burned the person was. The pictures are certainly NSFW. So many people use that as an example of frivolous lawsuit, when in fact it was far from it.
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And to think, she would have settled for the cost of her medical bills...
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I used to think it was frivilous, too...then I studied the case about six times in college. Not only was it warranted, but it also changed the way the industry is run. The coffee makers have regulators in them to keep the temperature from rising over 160.
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I never thought it was frivilous. And I never understood how anyone would think suing over something that caused third-degree burns could have been frivilous.

I understood Mickey-D's point of view which was people getting their coffee in the drive through want it to still be hot when they get to where they're going, but they had to answer for the ramifications of that.
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Ed, the reason people thought it was frivilous is, they didn't know that the woman received 3rd degree burns from it, and thought it was sheer ineptitude on her part.
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On 2011-08-09 05:56, Josh Chaikin wrote:
Ed, the reason people thought it was frivilous is, they didn't know that the woman received 3rd degree burns from it, and thought it was sheer ineptitude on her part.

Not sheer ineptitude.

Ineptitude mixed with greed.
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On 2011-08-09 05:56, Josh Chaikin wrote:
Ed, the reason people thought it was frivilous is, they didn't know that the woman received 3rd degree burns from it, and thought it was sheer ineptitude on her part.

Not sheer ineptitude.

Ineptitude mixed with greed.


Sounds like you didn't see the documentary. I don't see how anyone familiar with the facts of the case could come to that conclusion.
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A documentary can present a slanted view just like anything else. All you have to do is look at some of Michael Moore's work.
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True. But the facts were overwhelmingly in the woman's favor. As has been noted, the case resulted in a complete change in industry standards.
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Hrmm, I too am unfamiliar with the details. However - if you order Hot Coffee and the lid and the cup are intact and not faulty then I REALLY don't see how McD's should have been held responsible.

If I feel so inclined I'll look it up.
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On 2011-08-09 09:00, S2000magician wrote:
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On 2011-08-09 05:56, Josh Chaikin wrote:
Ed, the reason people thought it was frivilous is, they didn't know that the woman received 3rd degree burns from it, and thought it was sheer ineptitude on her part.

Not sheer ineptitude.

Ineptitude mixed with greed.

I don't see how anyone familiar with the facts of the case could come to that conclusion.

They couldn't.

The point - mine, at least, though I suspect Josh's as well - is that many, many people came to this conclusion without being familiar with the facts of the case. I recall vividly when it occurred that many people were convinced that the woman was making a big deal out of nothing, looking for a huge payday.
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There was also a ginormous list of previous injury complaints from the McD's coffee shown in the doc. That's why I recommend seeing the film and doing research before coming to a conclusion. All available facts should be considered.
Although, for me, it was the photographs of her injuries combined with McD's on top of the other facts that really sealed my change of opinion.

I do notice that Starbuck's always warns that the coffee is very hot. I wonder if that's related to this case?
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The point - mine, at least, though I suspect Josh's as well - is that many, many people came to this conclusion without being familiar with the facts of the case. I recall vividly when it occurred that many people were convinced that the woman was making a big deal out of nothing, looking for a huge payday.


I knew what you meant Smile
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On 2011-08-09 11:04, critter wrote:
I do notice that Starbuck's always warns that the coffee is very hot. I wonder if that's related to this case?


The case was probably a wake-up call, or Starbucks might have been wise from the beginning. To win a negligence lawsuit, a plaintiff has to prove 4 things:

1. Duty. The defendant had a legal duty to do something (or refrain from doing something)
2. Breach. There was a breach of that duty
3. Cause. That breach was the cause of Plaintiff's harm
4. Damages. The harm caused resulted in actual damages.

The warnings are intended to cover the 'breach' end of the equation. Generally, if there's a hazardous condition, the options are to fix it or to provide an adequate warning. You'll see the same thing at supermarkets; if there a spill, it will either be cleaned up right away, or they'll put out a big warning sign.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Yeah my neighborhood grocery has yellow signs in the parking lot warning about slippery ice.
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On 2011-08-09 11:23, critter wrote:
Yeah my neighborhood grocery has yellow signs in the parking lot warning about slippery ice.

In August?

(Can't be too careful . . . .)
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