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A nice break down of law as a private good, to answer your question critter:

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/L......ood.html


So... people with money and power get together to agree upon which rules they think are best for the rest of us and then enforced by private armies. Got it.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/11/pen......sh-case/
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So do I assume inbreeding is allowed?

Brothers and sisters, or Mums and Sons, or Dads and Daughters, Grandads and Grandaughters etc so long as all have reached the age of consent can produce all the inbred sprogs they like?

...And then they, not we, will be responsible for the health care etc of these poor offspring?

And who sets the age of consent?

Is this also set by arbitration and negotiation?

So if you can find enough people to support you in setting the age of consent at 5, and it's your five year old, all is well with the world?

Because following your reasoning, the community has no power to set an age of consent.

This will certainly add a new twist to our board game 'Anarchy' - 'fun for the entire family' takes on a whole new meaning.
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A nice break down of law as a private good, to answer your question critter:

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/L......ood.html


So... people with money and power get together to agree upon which rules they think are best for the rest of us and then enforced by private armies. Got it.


As opposed to now where it's the exact same thing, only with "public" armies, and a few publicly funded private ones as well.

And no, that is not what the article described.


Sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about a seperate article from the one you posted.

But if you truly believe it's exactly the same now as it would be under this alleged "anarchy" (which seems less anarchistic by the day) then why change it? Why waste lives in a revolution that'll supposedly lead to slightly different rules under slightly different.... oh, nevermind. Same day, different ****.
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Critter, my point was that it was not the same. What YOU suggested would happen was the same. What you suggested as if it would be so terrible, was the same thing you already have.
What would be is not what you suggest.


Destiny:"

"So if you can find enough people to support you in setting the age of consent at 5, and it's your five year old, all is well with the world?

Because following your reasoning, the community has no power to set an age of consent."

You don't see how those two statements essentially contradict each other?
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Critter, my point was that it was not the same. What YOU suggested would happen was the same. What you suggested as if it would be so terrible, was the same thing you already have.
What would be is not what you suggest.


Okay... but all I did was sum up the article you posted... Ick. Nevermind, I say! Not worth it.
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"So if you can find enough people to support you in setting the age of consent at 5, and it's your five year old, all is well with the world?

Because following your reasoning, the community has no power to set an age of consent."

You don't see how those two statements essentially contradict each other?


Not at all. If everything is decided by paying for arbitration and negotiation, why couldn't some pay for negotiation and arbitration that resulted in the age of consent being 5?

Or would we accept a community consensus that the age of consent should be, say 16, thereby infringing on the freedoms of those who want it to be 15, 14 etc?

And if we accepted that community consensus, would that not be government?

Oh and BTW - you appear to have not noticed my question regarding consensual adult incest - will inbreeding be allowed?
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Oh and BTW - you appear to have not noticed my question regarding consensual adult incest - will inbreeding be allowed?

Seeing as there will be no laws,it cannot be illegal,hence it's legal and allowable.
Don't forget you cannot be told do anything against your will....Unless ofcourse they're telling you,you can't use their private road.
Maybe they could fence the road off?I hear chainlink's a nice eyecatching design.
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Oh and BTW - you appear to have not noticed my question regarding consensual adult incest - will inbreeding be allowed?

Seeing as there will be no laws,it cannot be illegal,hence it's legal and allowable.
Don't forget you cannot be told do anything against your will....Unless ofcourse they're telling you,you can't use their private road.
Maybe they could fence the road off?I hear chainlink's a nice eyecatching design.
Ray.


'Cept of course there'd be no laws telling me I couldn't take an axe handle to the couple for violating the word of God either, now would there?
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Destiny:"

"So if you can find enough people to support you in setting the age of consent at 5, and it's your five year old, all is well with the world?

Because following your reasoning, the community has no power to set an age of consent."

You don't see how those two statements essentially contradict each other?


Not at all. If everything is decided by paying for arbitration and negotiation, why couldn't some pay for negotiation and arbitration that resulted in the age of consent being 5?

Or would we accept a community consensus that the age of consent should be, say 16, thereby infringing on the freedoms of those who want it to be 15, 14 etc?

And if we accepted that community consensus, would that not be government?

Oh and BTW - you appear to have not noticed my question regarding consensual adult incest - will inbreeding be allowed?


You seem to have taken the same misrepresentation of the article as Critter. Th things decided by negotiations and arbitration are the conditions and terms by which different companies would interact when resolving issues between clients who are interacting, like how different cell phones can receive and make calls to phones with different providers.

These agencies are not "making up" the rules by which you live your personal and private lives.

As for age of consent issues, first off, saying someone can give consent at a younger age doesn't automatically mean they DO give consent, so, to "set" the age at 5, doesn't suddenly give creeps permission to rape children.
Not that I am advocating setting the age like that, or, really, to any arbitrary age.

First off, what about what about parents? That is, similar to how parents set many house rules of what you are allowed to do, and at what age, like how late you stay up, what tv shows/movies they let you watch, what age you can start dating, etc.
Of course there is the issue that most abuse comes from family members, and those known to the victims.
Well, let's look at what "western democracies" give us. Most states in america allow for younger "consent" with the parent's permission, similar in austrailia, and many other "western democracies."

Of course this means nothing if the actual individual does not consent.

Meanwhile, most laws meant to "protect" the youth in these scenarios have been doing far more to "throw the baby out with the bathwater," well, maybe not the whole baby, just hacking off a few of its limbs. They lead to 16 year olds being labelled "sex offenders" for the rest of their life, for having consensual sex with another 16 year old, or maybe they took a picture of themselves, or video taped their acts, and now they get charges of child porn, possession, and manufacturing.

It might be not so bad if they would use some discretion, but that certainly doesn't seem to be happening.

What I am suggesting is not throwing away all protection, but rather a system that could provide just as much protection as there is currently, but without the egregious bs that the current system brings with it.

As for your question of incestual relationships, let me ask you a question. Would you support laws banning relationships between those who, though not related, have been found to be, due to their genetic pairing, just as likely to produce offspring with disabilities? How about someone who is themselves disabled, or has it in their family, and has a higher risk of producing disabled offspring, regardless of who they reproduce with? What about people with Huntington's disease? There is a 50% chance that any child of an affected parent having it, 75% if both parents have it and even scenarios where it is 100% certain that your children will have it.
I believe, though I could be mistaken, that, even if you yourself are not affected, but you have a parent who was, you still have a significant chance of your children having the disease.
Should these people also be banned from having relationships?
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They lead to 16 year olds being labelled "sex offenders" for the rest of their life, for having consensual sex with another 16 year old,


Which is not a Federal issue at all.
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What would you like clarified?
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What would you like clarified?

Butter.

For Madoo Vindaloo (beef curry).
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What would you like clarified?

Butter.

For Madoo Vindaloo (beef curry).


Ghee is also good on toast.
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They lead to 16 year olds being labelled "sex offenders" for the rest of their life, for having consensual sex with another 16 year old,


Which is not a Federal issue at all.


Just not sure what your point is here.
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They lead to 16 year olds being labelled "sex offenders" for the rest of their life, for having consensual sex with another 16 year old,


Which is not a Federal issue at all.


Just not sure what your point is here.


Point is the States decide that. Individual States. For example, here in WA it's a non issue as long as there's no more than two years difference between them. The individual States decided this. The rules are different for each individual State. So how would Glenntopia decide what the ages of consent are that would be any different from this?
Or is it okay to fool around with someone's 4 year old son in your Cadillac as long as you bring them to your own private road to do it?
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Critter, did you bother to read anything I posted?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Yup. And all you've said is that you want the same system with different rulers.

It's interesting that one of the first things I said about Glenntopia is that anarchy couldn't last more than a week before it became a dictatorship. Your recent posts are erasing all doubt.
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Critter, how the hell are you getting that it would be the same system?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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From everything you've written and posted about it.
Yeah... I told you this wasn't going to go anywhere.
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