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You seem to be under the illusion (sic) that Losander invented the floating table effect when in fact he invented the "Losander" table effect ok?

It might not be possible, at this late date, to identify the originator of the "floating table," or more correctly (in the contemporaneous vernacular) the "table levitation." It's safe to say, though, that it originated with the resurgence of the movement -- inspired by the Fox sisters -- to communicate with ghosts, which came, of course, to be known as Spiritualism.

Eusapia Palladino was, without question, the queen of the table rappers and levitators, and it may well be she who "invented" the technique. There are numerous accounts of her having performed the phenomena in both magic and early psychic research literature. The first account of her lifting a table mentioned in print was, I believe, in 1888.

The first account of a magician duplicating the feat I've encountered is described in Burlingame's " Leaves From Conjurers' Scrap Books," published in 1891. In a chapter entitled " Second-Site Artists ," Burlingame writes: "An exceedingly clever performer in the anti-spiritualist line, is Prof. Marvelle. He has displayed a great deal of genius in his tricks and apparatus, which has not been confined to magic alone... He excels in anti-spiritualist work, such as rope-tying, slate-writing, materialization, table lifting [emphasis mine] and mind-reading..."

Hope this helps.

Greg Edmonds
Official Historian, Psychic Entertainers Association (I knew I'd be able to use that title somewhere :p )

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Losander has not been the first levitating a table, but his method and routine have raised the effect to a different level.
If you don't think so, then why do you name it as "a cheap knock off"?
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On Jan 5, 2019, Sorcerer wrote:
Losander has not been the first levitating a table, but his method and routine have raised the effect to a different level.
If you don't think so, then why do you name it as "a cheap knock off"?


For your information if you would take a second to read I never said Losanders was a knock off version, I said for those of us who can't afford the Losander table we would have to make do with a cheaper inferior version. Hope this puts and end to this. Understood?
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I certainly understand your point from the beginning. You pretend that there are people who are forced to copy the other's ideas because they can't afford paying for them. If that "cheaper inferior versions" are not a copy from Losander's that would be OK. But you admit the cheaper versions are a knock off of Losander's. If something is a "knock off" is because there is an "original" that has been copied. Copying without permission is not respecting intellectual property. There are many ways of earning a living without copying.
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I am not interested in intellectual property I leave that to lawyers. How many hundreds of tricks out there are blatant copies of someone elses work?
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I had noticed that you don't mind intellectual property.

I totally agree with you, unfortunately hundreds of tricks are blatant copies without permission of someone else's work. That's something sad that hurts the creative minds which could come with new ideas and effects, this drags down the advancement of this art.
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If someone copies Losander's table, gimmick and routine and sells it cheaper, is that OK? No it is NOT. If I see a routine of some magic trick on YouTube that is a commercially made prop, and I KNOW how it works, but cannot afford it, is it OK to make it MYSELF and perform? NO it is NOT! I can NEVER afford a proper Losander Table. I will NEVER perform it. Simple as that. I know how to do several versions of the Floating Table, several of which are ungimmicked. Not sure, but I THINK they are Public Domain. Or at least in Tarbell...

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I saw a note on Losander's site (http://www.losander.me/epages/62364720.m......ginal%22):
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This Model can be traded in later to upgrade to a better model without loosing the original investment. Just trade it in and receive the full amount as a discount on a upper model.

So I inquired if he resold the old tables, and he replied that he sells refurbished Original tables for $500. Seems like a pretty good deal!
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Well said, Dougini, that's exactly the point, there are no excuses.

You're right too, Link774. In the specific case of Losander he even provides facilities for doing things right.
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I cannot stand it when people use "I'm broke..." for an excuse to steal. Chuck Leach and I had a conversation about people ripping off The Raven. Charlie Justice and I talked about Prohibition. Axel Hecklau has had his stuff lifted. The attitude "I can d@mn-well do what I WANT, now go AWAY, there's a good fellow..." does not fly with me. He IS right, he could change the table, routine and gimmick and it would not be ripping off Losander. It's the COMBINATION of Losander's ideas TOGETHER that are at stake here.

The words "too soon" ring true here...

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On Aug 13, 2011, donrodrigo wrote:
Servante said right. Like anything in the market now days you get what you pay for. We hear this everyday. I have seen some copies blow away an audience. To their sense of vision they don't know if their facing an owens or a john doe remake. As whole,any effect that is placed in the proper rehearsed hands can create a bomb.
The costs of magic has gone out of hand,but for whom. To each his own. If you want a ferrari be prepared to pay for it,but it will last a lifetime.


The cheapest Ferrari as of September 2019 is around 210k. For just less than 80k You can buy a top of the line Corvette which is faster, cheaper to maintain, gets better gas mileage, and actually has an air conditioner that will let you be comfortable while driving. Hell, for less than 45k you can buy a Camaro that outperforms a Ferrari. Plus, you can put your brood in the backseat.

Losander's stuff is made in China no matter what his site says. We all know what Zombie means. It's not even close to being new.
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By the way, Losander sells a DVD with the explanation on how this is done. Which would let the purchaser build their own table, or have a skilled woodworker build one. I'm not knocking Losander. He sells a high quality product, the instructions, and guarantees the product. Twelve hundred dollars may seem high, but the materials alone cost 500 dollars. Plus you need the tools and skill to manufacture.
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Go for Losander - it is worth it! Save the money for such a table - it will pay itself back quickly.
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The cheap comes out expensive!!!
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