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MariusHaugan
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When thought by Michael Ammar in Easy To Master Card Miracles Vol 1, what is the name of the false shuffle being used?

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I perform the trick but I don't know if there is a name for the false shuffle.
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Hi, Although I've seen others use the Zarrow shuffle, I believe Ammar uses the "triumph shuffle" by Dai Vernon. Check out the description in Stars of Magic.
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It is a push through shuffle.
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3 Different answers there Smile

Does anyone ever use this only as a false shuffle? I was playing with the idea, wondering if it could work...
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Marius,

The Triumph false shuffle can be slightly altered to serve as a regular false shuffle, but I personally think there are other false shuffles better suited for that purpose (like the Zarrow shuffle).

Different applications of the Triumph shuffle are taught in a book called Stars of Magic. There is a section on Dai Vernon's Triumph that would have what you are looking for.

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It's called the Triumph shuffle (basically a strip-out), but Ammar teaches it wrong. He teaches that the top cover card should slide over (which doesn't look very good). In Stars Of Magic, Vernon teaches the correct way to do it- that is that the top card remains still while the block underneath is slid over as a unit, deceptively duplicating the action of a regular shuffle.
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Thanks for the tip Marko, I didn't know that. I guess I'll have to try doing that now.
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I was also having trouble with the Triumph shuffle as Ammar taught it. I think he just described it too fast for my learning style.

It was recommended that I go straight to the source (Stars of Magic), so I did. That was great advice! Smile

The description of the shuffle in that book made my own Triumph shuffle improve very quickly! I'm not quite at Doc Eason's level yet, but I'm not afraid to perform it in public now!

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On 2003-08-27 17:47, marko wrote:
It's called the Triumph shuffle (basically a strip-out), but Ammar teaches it wrong. He teaches that the top cover card should slide over (which doesn't look very good). In Stars Of Magic, Vernon teaches the correct way to do it- that is that the top card remains still while the block underneath is slid over as a unit, deceptively duplicating the action of a regular shuffle.


I noticed that difference as well. What bothered me most about it was (if I remember correctly) that when Ammar does the "strip-out" part while simulating a cut, the top card doesn't go with the "cut" half! Huge discrepancy, don't you think? The shuffle and "cut" sequence in "Stars of Magic" looks much better to me.
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I done this many times where I gently slip the top card to the right packet and no one I have showed it to seemed to notice.

Now if I did it for some of you it might be noticed.

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I think the trouble with the version of the shuffle that Ammar teaches is that the motion involved in falsely pushing the two packs together is not one that anyone uses to complete an actual shuffle. The result is that it looks move-y. The "Stars of Magic" version does not look as weird.
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