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ragingcalm Elite user 428 Posts |
Saysold1,
Thanks for your comparison. Given the difference re. visibility/feel, it could simply be that SF outputs more rubber than PD for a given amount of time. Factors such as the design of the sprays nozzle could also affect this, and could be easily controlled by switching nozzles over for a repeat. Lot of ppl jumping on comparison to say it is conclusive evidence that SF and PD are different - this is clearly not necessarily the case. |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
It is not conclusive - but only way to know for sure is to try it yourself or just pass it up.
Many of disagree with Craig and Dave's WPR too at times. The nozzles are different for the two sprays btw but again I'm not going to do scientific tests. Accusations were made that SF was simply a relabeled can of PD. So rather than settle which product is best, my goal was to verify whether the accusations were true or BS. The accusations appear to be BS. That I will stand by... SF is not the same as PD.
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts |
Not to add fresh fuel to a quarrel but PlastiDip is only one single brand for a substance that accomplishes the desired effect...
Knepper himself was suggesting another one, e.g. and the variety of the market has not been exploited yet... Quote:
On 2011-09-12 22:51, saysold1 wrote:It is possible that with heavier treatments of the PD one may be able to get stronger adhesion qualities.... Right, it would be interesting then how the two compare when you simply spray a little more of PD on the surface...
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts |
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On 2011-09-13 13:04, saysold1 wrote: Yes, that seems to be proven now.
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
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On 2011-09-13 11:32, nanaswan wrote: Hmmm... The difference that I look at is not whether or not SF provides a better hold than PD, but if that extra hold is necessary to do what one needs it to do. A way overblown example (read that again, please ) would be gluing cards together - one person uses rubber cement, the other uses epoxy. Does the epoxy hold much better? Yes, of course. Is it necessary? No. I have tried PD. For me, the hold is fine. SF sounds like it holds better, but does one need that extra hold to perform successfully? For me, no, but other's mileage may vary. Depends on what you do with the cards and how much hold you need. More hold can be a good thing, or a not-so-good thing. I haven't noticed any rub-off, and don't think it would be much of a problem for me, as it takes such a small amount of pressure to keep the cards held together. Brett's review definitely indicates SF to be longer lasting than PD. +1 the SF on that score. As both wear out though, people just need to weigh the cost of the products vs. extra applications. So again, it is not whether one is a worker or not - more to do with what does a worker need (or not need) to do his work successfully. For some effects, a small difference makes "all the difference". For others, a small difference in prop or method results in no added value to performer or audience.
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts |
Spot on!
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
Cardshark posted a slight correction to my original review in the "Tricks & Effects" section which I would like to re-post here.
It concerns the specific Gaff cards which come with the set. I was also thinking of treating some of the cards with SF in my classic Gary Ouellet "Dream Of Aces" sequence and see how that plays out. Here is the quote, and please use this info in lieu of my Gadd Drescription in the review: ***************** A great review, Brett, there is only one minor correction to it regarding the provided gaffs. The Gaffs Starter Kit as you describe it is not included but the NEW Gaffed Deck for the Professional Pro. The setup of the provided cards is as follows: - 26 Double-Faced cards, that finally make sense. The prints are paired like an Invisible Deck, so 26 cards can cover all values in a deck, with half the thickness. - Large Phoenix Aces and Phoenix Joker with blank backs. Using these cards in a blank back Bicycle Deck makes it automatically into a blank backed Phoenix Deck. - McDonald's Aces with the large Phoenix Aces makes the effect most visible for your audience. - 4 Double Backer cards with Phoenix backs on one side and Bicycle backs on the other! All combinations included (red/red, blue/blue, red/blue, blue/red) - 3 blank face cards with blue Phoenix backs - 3 blank face cards with red Phoenix backs - 4 Phoenix Double Backer red / red - 4 Phoenix Double Backer blue / blue - 4 Phoenix Double Backer red / blue
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MindBrigade New user 99 Posts |
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On 2011-09-13 11:32, nanaswan wrote: Maybe, but for 89$ I can take the missus to a very good restaurant and I can deal with "non spray" tricks to my worker set. 95$ is just to high in my book. As pointed by nicolino, PlastiDip is not the only brand...i m pretty sure someone will find a spray 99% or 100% close, there is many variations using that "substance"...oh yeah Nanotechnology. The tricks looks nice tho, I can surely buy the dvd set alone ( not 95$ obviously ) if it was available. |
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TheGreatRaymondo Special user Manchester, England 969 Posts |
It looks pretty clear to me...
With SF you get the FULL & complete package that helps and assists you to perform great magic: The spray, the gaffed cards, the templates and from what I can gather a rather good, comprehensive instructional DVD. With PD you get a can of spray. As our friends on the other side of the pond might say... Go Figure! Its a complete and total no-brainer. For me the (total) package is worth the money. We have all paid serious money for tricks and effects only to discover they are rubbish. Complete rubbish! With SF we now KNOW exactly what we are getting and even better we now KNOW what it can do. I declare Card Shark the winner by a Knock Out!
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rasp Inner circle 1124 Posts |
http://www.sciencefriction.co.uk/non-slip-21.html is there a connection, or is this just a coincidence?
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
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On 2011-09-17 18:33, rasp wrote: You left the same link on the other thread too... please standby. It sounds like the name is the coincidentally same, but the stuff is completely different and for different applications entirely. One is flooring the other is for cards.
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rasp Inner circle 1124 Posts |
Yes, but also says it can be used on certain types of plastic coverings.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
I think the original SF post here http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......=218&265 (go down a bit first page) answers the question...from Cardshark:
"The whole formula was developed here in Germany together with a chemical expert, we were lucky enough to get a small batch ready for Vegas, as Magic Live is very important for me. The big production will be ready beginning of September, you will see that the cost for this tool is NOTHING compared to what you get."
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2011-09-17 23:48, saysold1 wrote: Quote:
On 2011-09-06 05:06, Ustaad wrote: P.S. Quote:
On 2011-09-17 18:33, rasp wrote: Nice!
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
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On 2011-09-17 19:05, saysold1 wrote: As long as we are quoting one's posts from other threads, I'll re-post mine: "The product mentioned in the link is called "Non Slip 21" (the company is called "SF", not the product), and is listed as 'odorless' and 'non-toxic'. SF is neither of these - though it is odorless after it dries." So, after going to the site and reading what it the product is about (which anyone could have done), the 2 products do not appear to be the same (or even similar) compound at all.
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TheGreatRaymondo Special user Manchester, England 969 Posts |
Guys,
I think between us we have now exhausted the 'what it is & what it isn't' questions. Saysold has given us the most detailed review and from all reports it does exactly what it claims to do and possibly more. The DVD is more than good and so are the templates etc that come with it. I believe it is now 'put up or shut up' - you either wish to buy the product or you don't! It really is that simple. if you do then I'm sure we will all be very interested in what you have to say and your experiences. If you do not wish to buy the product - then that's fine to! However, lets stop trying trash the product and lets stop trying to say its another product re-badged. To me it sounds good. Very good! When I get paid later this month I will make my purchase based the review by Saysold. This thread is for REVIEWS of the product. Not conjecture, not guessing games but reports of customers experiences. Can we please now just stick to that? Thank you. TGR
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theinternetguru Elite user I hacked the Café but I still only have 426 Posts |
I'm still waiting for my pre-order to arrive. Has anyone else received this yet?
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jonnyboy Inner circle San Diego 1021 Posts |
My pre-order hasn't arrived. I expect, from their previous posts on when they expected to ship them, that it will be arriving shortly. Hopefully.
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
Why is no US dealer carrying this? Am I missing something?
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
Jan, are you into close up magic mainly or parlour/stage? Mentalism? Full time job or hobby? Myself? I mainly do close-up with some mentalism as a hobby for almost 27 years.
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