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On 2011-11-14 01:27, charliewerner wrote:
David Blaine is just a amateur magician if compare to Dai Vernon, Slydini, Paul Daniel. He is a opportunity seeker.. like many of us, we dream of someday appear on tv when we master our craft... most of our dream end then more older we goes.. in the end, we are happy enough to perform at restaurant and other..

David Blaine on other hand, knowing he don't have skill like other, just went ahead to TV producer, perform standard magician (slightly above beginner magic) and become famous for it.... Like Dai Vernon use to said to Michael Ammar "people don't like to see a hamesome young man performing skillful things, they get jealous infact"

So David here, different from what people thought of magician see, someone who proud, arrogant, fast talking guy, great charisma and rich .... David wear normal clothing, a street guy... David went to place where people don't see magician often or cant afford one.... He show his magic, and of cos he get a great reaction...

To a layperson watch David Blaine show on tv, David use magic making people freak out and brighten their day.

TO a Magician like me - never underestimate a simple trick...

Finally, David Blaine Choose his audience, only those have great reaction are put on the show, those who react like nothing happen get edited out... Most tv magician do that..

but if we compare david blaine to criss angel, cyril takayama and derren brown...
I will rate them as follow:
1) Derren Brown - Create new type of illusion that he control mind, behavior. He is great of his misdirection, cold reading skill.. and super ability of making something wrong to right... He have great card effect.. A magician turning to mentalist. He have his own live show.

2)Cyril Takayama - Friendly neighborhood Magician, Before getting his own show, he is on of "T.H.E.M." Cool group of guy. He earn a living by performing at bar for tips (huge amount since japanese mafia love to give money away)...soon after effect of David Blaine, Japan called him up for Japan street magic show... His performance are better than blaine because he got lot of his friend from "T.H.E.M" to help him out... He have a great style and he first got me interested in Magic.. though right now, he seems stop creating or showing new effect.. in live show, he getting harder time to get a reaction...his works with floating or pk effect are most fantastic!!

3)Criss Angel = He famous for his singing and stage magic... He is great but he have a attitude problem who I hope kids wont follow his footstep..He look more like a pop icon than a magician.. or something to do with dark side of magic, over estimate himself.. He have johnny thompson and banacek to help..

4)David Blaine - like I say, he a normal guy... seems like a poor guy.. performing magic to audience who rarely see a magician real life.. and get to be famous...

5) Luchen from taiwan - Lu Chen a name that is not so famous now, but one day I hope he going to be.. HE too like cyril, got the skill , the sleight as a magician.. he quite successful in china, taiwan and japan.. He always add a twist to his magic... Although he perform trick that you can buy from magic shop, he make some adjustment to make it different and unique... He need to work on his English and let the world then experience his magic. BTW, He won 1st place at some competition organized by David Copperfield himself.. One of the most creative original magic creator...

If we put all the TV magician on the street, without camera trick, with a 50percent lay person, 50 percent magician audience...

Perhaps derren brown would be first..for his presentation and smooth taking, great showmanship..i think most people will enjoy him as a entertainer.

Cyril and LuChen will be performing wide range of street magic... lot of great effect..

Criss Angel might be doing some a normal standard trick ...

David Blaine = Having trouble I think..due to wide range of audience, having harder time getting people to watch him or understanding him...


Wow... You don't think jumping to conclusion is overrated I take it?
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David has no trouble having people understand him or getting people to watch him. Quite the opposite. Your post is filled with misinformation.
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Charliewerner:

Forgive me, I mean no offense, but English is not your first language, am I right? Smile

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On 2011-11-14 01:27, charliewerner wrote:
David Blaine is just a amateur magician if compare to Dai Vernon, Slydini, Paul Daniel. He is a opportunity seeker.. like many of us, we dream of someday appear on tv when we master our craft... most of our dream end then more older we goes.. in the end, we are happy enough to perform at restaurant and other..

David Blaine on other hand, knowing he don't have skill like other, just went ahead to TV producer, perform standard magician (slightly above beginner magic) and become famous for it.... Like Dai Vernon use to said to Michael Ammar "people don't like to see a hamesome young man performing skillful things, they get jealous infact"

So David here, different from what people thought of magician see, someone who proud, arrogant, fast talking guy, great charisma and rich .... David wear normal clothing, a street guy... David went to place where people don't see magician often or cant afford one.... He show his magic, and of cos he get a great reaction...

To a layperson watch David Blaine show on tv, David use magic making people freak out and brighten their day.

TO a Magician like me - never underestimate a simple trick...

Finally, David Blaine Choose his audience, only those have great reaction are put on the show, those who react like nothing happen get edited out... Most tv magician do that..

but if we compare david blaine to criss angel, cyril takayama and derren brown...
I will rate them as follow:
1) Derren Brown - Create new type of illusion that he control mind, behavior. He is great of his misdirection, cold reading skill.. and super ability of making something wrong to right... He have great card effect.. A magician turning to mentalist. He have his own live show.

2)Cyril Takayama - Friendly neighborhood Magician, Before getting his own show, he is on of "T.H.E.M." Cool group of guy. He earn a living by performing at bar for tips (huge amount since japanese mafia love to give money away)...soon after effect of David Blaine, Japan called him up for Japan street magic show... His performance are better than blaine because he got lot of his friend from "T.H.E.M" to help him out... He have a great style and he first got me interested in Magic.. though right now, he seems stop creating or showing new effect.. in live show, he getting harder time to get a reaction...his works with floating or pk effect are most fantastic!!

3)Criss Angel = He famous for his singing and stage magic... He is great but he have a attitude problem who I hope kids wont follow his footstep..He look more like a pop icon than a magician.. or something to do with dark side of magic, over estimate himself.. He have johnny thompson and banacek to help..

4)David Blaine - like I say, he a normal guy... seems like a poor guy.. performing magic to audience who rarely see a magician real life.. and get to be famous...

5) Luchen from taiwan - Lu Chen a name that is not so famous now, but one day I hope he going to be.. HE too like cyril, got the skill , the sleight as a magician.. he quite successful in china, taiwan and japan.. He always add a twist to his magic... Although he perform trick that you can buy from magic shop, he make some adjustment to make it different and unique... He need to work on his English and let the world then experience his magic. BTW, He won 1st place at some competition organized by David Copperfield himself.. One of the most creative original magic creator...

If we put all the TV magician on the street, without camera trick, with a 50percent lay person, 50 percent magician audience...

Perhaps derren brown would be first..for his presentation and smooth taking, great showmanship..i think most people will enjoy him as a entertainer.

Cyril and LuChen will be performing wide range of street magic... lot of great effect..

Criss Angel might be doing some a normal standard trick ...

David Blaine = Having trouble I think..due to wide range of audience, having harder time getting people to watch him or understanding him...



Seems you got very MISinformed....
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Gah, I *hate* this topic, but here we go again.

It distills down to this (and I have read cover to cover Blaine's "book", so I know from whence I speak):

David never meant to be labeled purely a magician. His focus and inspiriation was Houdini's endurance and escape feats.
Houdini was a master at PR, and David learned that lesson very, very well.

I admire him for what he has accomplished, and attempted to accomplish.

I agree about the "low expectations/large reactions" gambit. This is absolutely true and it worked.

Was there extensive editing in his specials? Yes.

Do I consider him a well rounded, professional magician? No.
Do I consider him a well rounded endurance feat performer? Yes.

Do I like his style? No.
Do I like his dress? Absolutely not.

However, this also plays directly into the "low expectations/large reaction" principle, so I can see the validity of the approach.

Personally, I find it repugnant and I think that both he and Criss Angel (whom is another topic altogether) have done the magic community a HUGE disservice by presenting a shabby image as the new "norm". I, personally, will never perform while dressed like a bum that would hit you up for change outside of a Starbucks, or attired in an outfit that looks as though someone threw the cast of "Twilight" and "Lost Boys" into a blender and hit "chop".

Magic to me speaks of mystery and elegance, and we should dress in a manner to promote that image. If you are a performer, you should LOOK like one. This includes such elementary things as personal hygene and clean clothes.

Am I a snob about that? Most likely, but that is my style. Others vary.

A comedy magician would not dress in the Victorian manner I do. A stage/parlor magician would not dress in a club/bar style manner.

However, to each his own, and I respect both David and Criss for getting out there and making it happen; each in his own (if slightly distasteful) manner.

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On 2011-12-12 18:33, Ekuth wrote:
Gah, I *hate* this topic, but here we go again.

It distills down to this (and I have read cover to cover Blaine's "book", so I know from whence I speak):

David never meant to be labeled purely a magician. His focus and inspiriation was Houdini's endurance and escape feats.
Houdini was a master at PR, and David learned that lesson very, very well.

I admire him for what he has accomplished, and attempted to accomplish.

I agree about the "low expectations/large reactions" gambit. This is absolutely true and it worked.

Was there extensive editing in his specials? Yes.

Do I consider him a well rounded, professional magician? No.
Do I consider him a well rounded endurance feat performer? Yes.

Do I like his style? No.
Do I like his dress? Absolutely not.

However, this also plays directly into the "low expectations/large reaction" principle, so I can see the validity of the approach.

Personally, I find it repugnant and I think that both he and Criss Angel (whom is another topic altogether) have done the magic community a HUGE disservice by presenting a shabby image as the new "norm". I, personally, will never perform while dressed like a bum that would hit you up for change outside of a Starbucks, or attired in an outfit that looks as though someone threw the cast of "Twilight" and "Lost Boys" into a blender and hit "chop".

Magic to me speaks of mystery and elegance, and we should dress in a manner to promote that image. If you are a performer, you should LOOK like one. This includes such elementary things as personal hygene and clean clothes.

Am I a snob about that? Most likely, but that is my style. Others vary.

A comedy magician would not dress in the Victorian manner I do. A stage/parlor magician would not dress in a club/bar style manner.

However, to each his own, and I respect both David and Criss for getting out there and making it happen; each in his own (if slightly distasteful) manner.

*tips hat*


In your mind, how should DB have dressed when he performed in street magic or any of his subsequent specials? Do you think altering his dress would impact how people respond and react to him on the street? If so, would the change in their response work towards or against him? Would love to hear your thoughts.


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I'll be the first to admit that the first time I watched David's Street Magic special back in 96 I was one of the "How the hell did HE get his own show" people. I thought to myself, "I can do everything he is doing".

But then I found myself watching it again, and again, and again. I don't think there's a magician out there that can honestly admit they've only watched David's specials once. And the reason we do this is because we love watching magic and the spectators reactions. Not to mention that here's a magician that is finally a technician. The effects were the ones that we knew. Harris, Williamson, Weber....all contributors and all magicians we look up to. AND the fact that yes, the spectator was more spotlighted. Art is created as a form of expression. Whatever the subject matter is its the artists job to lay out the canvas and begin doing what he's feeling. In this case, David felt that the spectator is the focus. IMO he is provocative and unsettling. He executes and then stops for a minute to observe the affect on his prey. I love it!

I had the chance (thanks to Doug) to hang out with both Doug and David last year while I was doing a gig in New York and both were amazing gentlemen. David reminds me of a cousin or a familiar relative. While at his place he constantly was busy on the phone but took moments to ask about my life and always was hospitable enough to offer me food, beverage, etc. He is an EXTREMELY nice fellow and really does look for feedback. He cares about his magic and what he can do to improve. I never once got the impression of arrogance or cockiness. He has a wonderful team (and two beautiful assistants might I add) that loves magic. He would ask me to show him something and then say, "hey girls, come watch this" and they would hop up to watch. They LOVE magic!

Doug, thank you again for the wonderful time. I'll never forget it. Hope to do it again soon my friend.
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I have watched them less than once.
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Actually,

Whenever I see a D.B. or C.A. special on t.v....

I flip the channel!

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I enjoy David Blaine's specials and I really don't care what anyone else thinks about that.
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I love his stunts... Smile

Not so much his Street Magic.
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Did he really just poke an ice pick through his hand?
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Just finished watching his new special tonight. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

I keep wondering. If the water spitting was real, was the spike through hand and needle through arm real? It certainly looked real.

I am also fairly confused how Blaine is just naming or predicting cards or people's names that he has asked the spectator to just think of on the spot. (unless there is some footage editing and there was previous work we didn't get to see.)
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It sure looked like DB stuck an ice pick through his hand an a long needle through his arm. This is not my style of magic and it is like a car wreck... you just can't stop looking.

I noticed he swallowed two fish and they didn't show him bring them back up. If he did bring them back up I think it was like Jacka*s and Steve-O puking them up. The swallowing massive amounts of water and bringing it back up was interesting and something I have never seen.

I enjoyed the card magic even though some of it he has performed in previous specials. I believe there was some major editing. Like the one dollar bill that turned into a hundred. I never saw the one dollar bill.

He doesn't have a big personality like Penn of Penn and Teller, but at least he doesn't brag like Criss Angel.
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I believe there was some major editing. Like the one dollar bill that turned into a hundred. I never saw the one dollar bill.

He doesn't have a big personality like Penn of Penn and Teller, but at least he doesn't brag like Criss Angel.

I watched the first 35 or 40 minutes and couldn't take it anymore. I get what David is trying to do, but I don't agree with it. There is MASSIVE editing. The ice pick routine was 3 separate performances cut together. WTH is that? The "bill change" I didn't see a $1...and didn't see a $100 either. The kids just looked at it, screamed and ran away. I get that it's good TV to focus on the spectators and their reactions, but you have to SHOW what they are seeing! Also, I thought this was supposed to be a return to magic. Most of what I saw was sideshow stunts like eating glass, spike through hand and fire breathing.

Big personality? On these specials, he doesn't have ANY personality, let alone a big one. I've met David in person and he was very pleasant to talk with. Many well known magicians have onstage personas....Teller being silent, Hobson being gay etc. I REALLY don't get how your persona can be that you don't have one.
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