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On 2011-08-19 10:39, tommy wrote:
It is all bent.

“Well, I think if you were to ask Donald Trump, it takes more than thinking to grow rich. You have to know the right friends; the right people and you have to use a lot of payola. It's called "payola." Payola is a strange sort of money that changes hands surreptitiously under tables and things like that or through middle-men. That's how you get ahead in this world and even then you can't get up there unless the big boys at the top open the door and bring you in. That's how it works. It's just like "free trade". There's no such thing as free trade. It's simply an easier trade for the big corporations. The small businesses are out of the picture. They can't get permits to sell their stuff under this guise of free trade. It's a cornering of the market for a select few. That's the reality and they use double-speak all the time to get their way.”

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Alan Watt referencing Donald Trump? Really? Weren't they entirely different generations?

Edit: LOL. I googled and see it's me who is of the wrong generation. Wrong Alan.
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It seems Carlos Santana has a short memory or a selective on, Back when Charlie Pride was wining every Country Music Award available to all country music entertainers, Charlie did not need a special category.

One Great Actor and one of my most favorite, Morgan Freeman said, he had rather be known as a great actor rather than a great black actor and I certainly think he accomplished it.
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Not sure what your point is with regard to Santana's comments.
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Not sure what your point is with regard to Santana's comments.
My point is, why does he want the awards segregated by race or color? Jazz is jazz! blues is blues, good music is good music and I love it all. It's just getting as petty as little league sports, people thinking everyone should get an award, so the ones the suck don't feel bad.
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I don't know, I just listen to the radio at a reasonable volume, that's it. I do agree with Magic Santa's request for "ouncies" though Smile

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On 2011-08-20 22:26, landmark wrote:
Not sure what your point is with regard to Santana's comments.
My point is, why does he want the awards segregated by race or color? Jazz is jazz! blues is blues, good music is good music and I love it all. It's just getting as petty as little league sports, people thinking everyone should get an award, so the ones the suck don't feel bad.


I don't think that is what he wants at all. He notes--correctly--that as of today some genres of popular music have strong racial/ethnic representation. Country Music is almost exclusively the domain of white performers. It would be hard to name half a dozen well-known country singers who are not white.

Santana's point is that the reductions hit minority performers much harder than than they hit the (white) majority.

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Do you think some people might say the use of the word "negros" is ignorant and racist? Are we still using that term?
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On 2011-08-20 22:26, landmark wrote:
Not sure what your point is with regard to Santana's comments.
My point is, why does he want the awards segregated by race or color? Jazz is jazz! blues is blues, good music is good music and I love it all. It's just getting as petty as little league sports, people thinking everyone should get an award, so the ones the suck don't feel bad.


I don't think that is what he wants at all. He notes--correctly--that as of today some genres of popular music have strong racial/ethnic representation. Country Music is almost exclusively the domain of white performers. It would be hard to name half a dozen well-known country singers who are not white.

Santana's point is that the reductions hit minority performers much harder than than they hit the (white) majority.

John


It's interesting that he points out how many award SHOWS that country music has; that's not the Grammys' fault; perhaps artists in the regional/ethnic categories should put on awards shows other than the Grammys.

The reason that he didn't talk about how many AWARDS country music had at the Grammys is because there are only FOUR (seven others are no longer awarded; I don't know if they were a part of the most recent cuts or not). So the poor, "hard-hit" Latin categories are down from 7 to 4 - which is exactly the number of country music Grammys awarded. There are also 4 R & B categories AND 4 rap categories.

Anyone interested in comparing ethnic percentages across the population with the number of awards given in categories that most people would associate with particular ethnicities? I believe something like 60% of the USA is "white"; I suspect that number would be underrepresented in a count of "ethnically specific" Grammys are awarded.
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2011 Grammy Winners

Album of the Year: The Suburbs, Arcade Fire
Record of the Year: "Need You Now," Lady Antebellum
Rap Album: Recovery, Eminem
New Artist: Esperanza Spalding
Song of the Year: "Need You Now," Lady Antebellum

POP:
Pop Vocal Album: Lady Gaga, The Fame Monster
Pop Performance by a Duo or Group With Vocals: Train, "Hey, Soul Sister (Live)"
Traditional Pop Vocal Album: Michael Bublé, Crazy Love
Female Pop Vocal Performance: Lady Gaga, "Bad Romance," The Fame Monster
Male Pop Vocal Performance: Bruno Mars, "Just The Way You Are," Doo-Wops & Hooligans
Pop Collaboration With Vocals: "Imagine," Herbie Hancock, Pink, India.Arie, Seal, Konono No 1, Jeff Beck & Oumou Sangare, The Imagine Project
Pop Instrumental Performance: "Nessun Dorma," Jeff Beck, Emotion & Commotion
Pop Instrumental Album: Take Your Pick, Larry Carlton & Tak Matsumoto


R&B:
Female R&B Vocal Performance: Fantasia, "Bittersweet," Back to Me
Male R&B Vocal Performance: Usher, "There Goes My Baby," Raymond V Raymond
R&B Performance by a Duo or Group With Vocals: Sade, "Soldier of Love," Soldier of Love
Traditional R&B Vocal Performance: John Legend & The Roots, "Hang On In There," Wake Up!
R&B Song: John Legend & The Roots, "Shine," Wake Up!
R&B Album: Wake Up!, John Legend & The Roots
Contemporary R&B Album: Raymond V Raymond, Usher

RAP:
Rap Song: Jay-Z & Alicia Keys, "Empire State of Mind," The Blueprint 3
Rap/Sung Collaboration: Jay-Z & Alicia Keys, "Empire State of Mind," The Blueprint 3
Rap Performance by a Duo or Group: Jay-Z & Swizz Beatz, "On to the Next One," The Blueprint 3
Rap Solo Performance: Eminem, "Not Afraid," Recovery
Urban/Alternative Performance: "F*** You," Cee Lo Green
Muse Jason Merritt/Getty Images

ROCK:
Rock Album: Muse, The Resistance
Solo Rock Vocal Performance: Paul McCartney, "Helter Skelter," Good Evening New York City
Rock Performance by a Duo or Group With Vocals: The Black Keys, "Tighten Up," Brothers
Rock Song: "Angry World," Neil Young, Le Noise
Hard Rock Performance: New Fang, "Them Crooked Vultures," Them Crooked Vultures
Metal Performance: "El Dorado," Iron Maiden, The Final Frontier
Rock Instrumental Performance: Jeff Beck, "Hammerhead," Emotion & Commotion
Lady Antebellum AP Photo/Matt Sayles

COUNTRY:
Country Album: Lady Antebellum, Need You Now
Female Country Vocal Performance: Miranda Lambert, " The House That Built Me," Revolution
Male Country Vocal Performance: Keith Urban, "'Til Summer Comes Around"
Country Song: "Need You Now," Dave Haywood, Josh Kear, Charles Kelley & Hillary Scott, songwriters (Lady Antebellum) (Need You Now)
Country Performance by a Duo or Group With Vocals: Lady Antebellum, "Need You Now"
Country Instrumental Performance: Marty Stuart, "Hummingbyrd" (Ghost Train: The Studio B Sessions)
New Age Album:Miho: Journey to the Mountain, Paul Winter Consort
Contemporary Jazz Album:The Stanley Clarke Band, The Stanley Clarke Band
Jazz Vocal Album:Eleanora Fagan (1915-1959): To Billie With Love From Dee Dee, Dee Dee Bridgewater

LATIN:
Latin Pop Album: Paraiso Express, Alejandro Sanz
Latin Rock, Alternative or Urban Album: El Existential, Grupo Fantasma
Tropical Latin Album: Viva La Tradición, Spanish Harlem Orchestra
Tejano Album: Recuerdos, Little Joe & La Familia
Norteño Album: Classic, Intocable
Banda Album: Enamórate De Mí, El Güero Y Su Banda Centenario

JAZZ:
Contemporary Jazz Album: The Stanley Clarke Band, The Stanley Clarke Band
Jazz Vocal Album: Eleanora Fagan (1915-1959): To Billie With Love From Dee Dee, Dee Dee Bridgewater
Improvised Jazz Solo: "A Change Is Gonna Come," Herbie Hancock (The Imagine Project)
Jazz Instrumental Album, Individual or Group: Moody 4B, James Moody
Large Jazz Ensemble Album: Live at Jazz Standard, Mingus Big Band
Latin Jazz Album: Chucho's Steps, Chucho Valdés and the Afro-Cuban Messengers

GOSPEL:
Gospel Performance: "Grace," BeBe & CeCe Winans, Still
Gospel Song: "It's What I Do," Jerry Peters & Kirk Whalum, songwriters (Kirk Whalum & Lalah Hathaway), The Gospel According to Jazz Chapter III
Rock or Rap Gospel Album: Hello Hurricane, Switchfoot
Pop/Contemporary Gospel Album: Love God. Love People, Israel Houghton
Southern, Country or Bluegrass Gospel Album: The Reason, Diamond Rio
Traditional Gospel Album: Downtown Church, Patty Griffin
Contemporary R&B Gospel Album: Still, BeBe & CeCe Winans
Rihanna AP Photo/Chris Pizzello

DANCE:
Dance Recording: "Only Girl (in the World)," Rihanna
Electronic/Dance Album: La Roux, La Roux

TRADITIONAL/ALTERNATIVE/WORLD:
Alternative Music Album: Brothers, The Black Keys
Americana Album: You Are Not Alone, Mavis Staples
Bluegrass Album: Mountain Soul II, Patty Loveless
Traditional Blues Album: Joined At The Hip, Pinetop Perkins & Willie 'Big Eyes' Smith
Contemporary Blues Album: Living Proof, Buddy Guy
Traditional Folk Album: Genuine Negro Jig, Carolina Chocolate Drops
Contemporary Folk Album: God Willin' & The Creek Don't Rise, Ray LaMontagne and the Pariah Dogs
Hawaiian Music Album: Huana Ke Aloha, Tia Carrere
Native American Music Album: 2010 Gathering Of Nations Pow Wow: A Spirit's Dance, Various Artists
Zydeco or Cajun Music Album: Zydeco Junkie, Chubby Carrier and the Bayou Swamp Band
Reggae Album: Before The Dawn, Buju Banton
Traditional World Music Album: Ali And Toumani, Ali Farka Touré & Toumani Diabaté
Contemporary World Music Album: Throw Down Your Heart, Africa Sessions Part 2: Unreleased Tracks, Béla Fleck
New Age Album: Miho: Journey to the Mountain, Paul Winter Consort
Lady Gaga AP Photo/Matt Sayles

VISUAL MEDIA:
Short Form Music Video: "Bad Romance," Lady Gaga
Long Form Music Video: "When You're Strange," The Doors
Spoken Word Album (Includes Poetry, Audio Books and Storytelling): The Daily Show With Jon Stewart Presents Earth (The Audiobook)
Musical Show Album: American Idiot (Featuring Green Day)
Compilation Soundtrack Album for Motion Picture, Television or Other Visual Media: Crazy Heart (Various Artists)
Score Soundtrack Album for Motion Picture, Television or Other Visual Media: Toy Story 3, Randy Newman, composer
Song Written for Motion Picture, Television or Other Visual Media: "The Weary Kind" (From Crazy Heart), Ryan Bingham & T Bone Burnett, songwriters
Instrumental Composition: "The Path Among the Trees," Billy Childs, composer (Billy Childs Ensemble), Autumn: In Moving Pictures Jazz—Chamber Music Vol. 2
Instrumental Arrangement: "Carlos," Vince Mendoza, arranger (John Scofield, Vince Mendoza & Metropole Orkest), 54

CLASSICAL:
Engineered Album, Classical:Daugherty: Metropolis Symphony; Deus Ex Machina, Giancarlo Guerrero &Nashville Symphony Orchestra
Producer of the Year, Classical: David Frost
Classical Album:Verdi: Requiem, Chicago Symphony Orchestra; Chicago Symphony Chorus
Orchestral Performance:Daugherty: Metropolis Symphony; Deus Ex Machina, Nashville Symphony
Opera Recording:Saariaho: L'Amour De Loin, Deutsches Symphonie-Orchester Berlin
Choral Performance:Verdi: Requiem, Chicago Symphony Orchestra; Chicago Symphony Chorus
Instrumental Soloist(s) Performance (With Orchestra):Mozart: Piano Concertos Nos. 23 & 24, Mitsuko Uchida (The Cleveland Orchestra)
Instrumental Soloist Performance (Without Orchestra): Paul Jacobs, Messiaen: Livre Du Saint-Sacrement
Chamber Music Performance:Ligeti: String Quartets Nos. 1 & 2, Parker Quartet
Small Ensemble Performance:Dinastia Borja, Jordi Savall, conductor; Hespèrion XXI & La Capella Reial De Catalunya
Classical Vocal Performance:Sacrificium, Cecilia Bartoli (Giovanni Antonini; Il Giardino Armonico)
Classical Contemporary Composition: Michael Daugherty: Deus Ex Machina, Michael Daugherty (Giancarlo Guerrero), Daugherty: Metropolis Symphony
Classical Crossover Album:Christopher Tin: Calling All Dawns
Surround Sound Album:Britten's Orchestra, Michael Stern & Kansas City Symphony

CHILDREN:
Musical Album for Children: Tomorrow's Children, Pete Seeger with the Rivertown Kids and Friends
Spoken Word Album for Children: Julie Andrews' Collection of Poems, Songs, and Lullabies, Julie Andrews & Emma Walton Hamilton

OTHER:
Comedy Album: Lewis Black, Stark Raving Black
Instrumental Arrangement Accompanying Vocalist(s): "Baba Yetu," Christopher Tin, Soweto Gospel Choir & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Calling All Dawns
Recording Package: Brothers, The Black Keys
Boxed or Special Limited-Edition Package: Under Great White Northern Lights (Limited Edition Box Set), The White Stripes
Album Notes: Keep An Eye On The Sky, Big Star
Historical Album: The Beatles (The Original Studio Recordings), The Beatles
Engineered Album, Nonclassical: Battle Studies, John Mayer
Producer of the Year, Nonclassical: Danger Mouse
Remixed Recording, Nonclassical: "Revolver" (David Guetta's One Love Club Remix), Madonna
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
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