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jfquackenbush Special user Out here on the desert 607 Posts |
Speaking for myself personally, dealing the punch has been something I've been interested in learning ever since I read Phantoms at the Card Table years ago, but I've never really had the time to look into it and even a bibliography of good sources would be something I'd find valuable. The only cold deck switch I know is Peter Duffie's method, and I think it has some limitations in the steal that require machines to overcome, but I'd love to read more about it in particular about how to put together a cooler for a game like stud or draw where you don't know how many cards you'll end up dealing.
One of the things I like about the first Arcanum though is that it's so very practical, and the other stuff you have lined up seems to continue in that vein. Given yr hacking expertise, I think a lot of people might be interested in an arcanum devoted to advantage play in online poker rooms; particularly because as of right now I think all there really is out there that's up to date is Born's book, which has good info, but it's just one perspective and more would be very valuable even for an honest poker player.
Mr. Quackenbush believes that there is no such thing as a good magic trick.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
About online Poker (OP) hacking, the problem is that it would be very difficult to release something. 99.9% of people are convinced OP is fair and honest, which is a very bad basis for selling a book .
A few weeks ago, I listed some cases that happened in the past (I don't play OP for some time now) and no one gave a ***! If I release methods showing how to cheat online, I will face severe troubles. If I use them myself, I'm afraid you won't me read here anymore pretty soon lol. People want to believe OP is fair and that a plenty of people turned into millionaires playing OP. It's their right. To me OP is something veeeery weird where everything can happen, from earning a plenty of bucks to money laundering through been stolen a lot of cash or other problems. I simply hope all the players from the OP websites that have been shut down recently will get their cash back, one day or another. I wouldn't bet on that though... |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
There is a huge grey area between "Online poker is fair and honest" and "Online poker is completely rigged and cheating occurs all the time and you'll be cheated if you ever play online". Lobbing everyone who doesn't agree with you into the first category regardless of where they fall in the middle is a **** poor argumentative technique and you should be better than that.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
@splice,
As far as I know, I wrote: "To me". |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
Whether you say "to me" or not, mischaracterizing other people's positions to support your argument is lame. If someone says "I think the incidence of cheating in online poker is less than some people would have you believe" and you respond "To me you're saying that online poker is completely fair and honest", saying "to me" doesn't matter, you're still wrong.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
No, I was just expressing my opinion. But as usual you want to read and understand things I don't even write.
Again, think what you want about online Poker, play it if you feel like it. And in case you make some money out of it, great, I'm glad for you. |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
You must have forgotten those threads where you talked about cheating online and people other than you also provided their opinion. You most definitely did write "99.9% of people are convinced OP is fair and honest" right here today, and that number is most definitely a large exaggeration. Characterizing the debate as being solely between "online poker is completely fair and honest" and "online poker is completely rigged" is a red herring, and I'd wager that most people have a more nuanced viewpoint than that. As we've already seen in those threads.
Deciding to lump everyone but you in the "99.9% of people" who apparently say online poker is fair in order to justify your argument that no one would be interested in the book is ridiculous, and dismissing any criticism of that figure out of hand because you said it's your opinion is no panacea against being simply wrong. The fact that some of us don't agree with you about the prevalence and the frequency of online cheating doesn't mean we're claiming online poker is completely fair and honest, and pretending that it does does you no good. Either way, if you insist on maintaining your opinion regardless of opposing facts, that's your choice. |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
* yawn*
I mean, really, folks: it ain't the size of it, but how you use it. WORD. But what do I know, since I have a small ***. I wish it weren't so: I wish I could deal 7ths like AMcD. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Frankly, I'm convinced that 99.9% of people think OP is fair. Why would they risk their money if they wouldn't trust OP companies? You would wage your money on something you don't trust?
Ridiculous? Why ridiculous? It's my opinion. I'm not sure a book dealing with OP cheating would get a great success. You have the right not to think like me. You even have the right to write one. I'm afraid I don't get you clearly. What fact do you want? I'm just expressing my opinion. You provide facts and statistics every time you give your opinion? Geez. |
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jfquackenbush Special user Out here on the desert 607 Posts |
I know a lot of people who think OP is fair and treat it as if they were playing in a legal, regulated card room where the house's interest in outcomes was limited to the rake. I can't for the life of me fathom how anybody arrives at such a conclusion, and I think both splice and AMcD likely agree that such a position is desperately naive. while I think that 99.9 may be an inflated number, and I don't agree that it's completely a fools errand to play online, I do think that anybody who isn't fairly well versed in IT security engineering is taking a very big risk in playing online poker. Online poker, because it's illegal in the United States, is completely unregulated and for anyone who thinks unregulated gambling is something where suckers are not going to regularly be getting very close haircuts is, frankly, naive and is not paying close enough attention to the well documented history of unregulated gambling in the US at the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th centuries. I can't recommend more highly for anyone who doesn't see this that they read "Card Sharps and Bucket Shops" and the Autobiography of Yellow Kid Weil.
All of which is to say that for me--given that I have no desire to know anything more about data packets, cryptography, secure sockets, exploits, and malicious software than the very little I already know--whatever the reality of the situation is, it is probably a better idea for me (and certainly also for people with a similar skill set to mine, which I would consider to be the bulk of moderately serious and fairly skilled card players) to treat OP as a scam as dirty and underhanded as the most thuggish monte mob in 1970s New York. Part of smart play is knowing when you're outclassed and the esoteric knowledge necessary to play well in an electronic is complex and difficult to acquire, and most importantly it has little to nothing to do with the game theory and strategic chops necessary to play strong poker. I, personally, am outclassed in that arena, so the winning strategy for me is to not take the risk. The pot odds just don't justify my bet. They may well do so for others, but it doesn't do anybody any good to deny that there are serious risks there that should be factored in to anyone's decision to play online. I offer this analysis as a reasoned middle position that I think we should all be able to agree on and that will hopefully let this particular topic cool a bit.
Mr. Quackenbush believes that there is no such thing as a good magic trick.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
"Online poker, because it's illegal in the United States, is completely unregulated"
At last, someone has understood where the core problem lies... Thanks. |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
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On 2011-08-23 17:15, jfquackenbush wrote: Those aren't one in the same. I match one part of that description but not to the other. |
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jfquackenbush Special user Out here on the desert 607 Posts |
Granted, Splice, I didn't mean to suggest you were one of those people. It's clear from what you've written that you have a nuanced view of the differences between electronic poker and the live action stuff. What I am saying is that of the people I know who play poker regularly online, that's an accurate assessment. I'd even go so far as to say that there are so many of those people that the law of very large numbers does some work in leveling out some of the risk because there will inevitably be a lot of games where no players are taking advantage and where there is no chicanery evident on the part of the house. that said, however, that risk to my eyes makes the game unfair because it will always remain and there will be people who lose a lot of money thinking they're playing a fair game when in fact they are being fleeced. And the lack of regulation makes that far more likely in online play than it does at any legal public table, and while I haven't done the math, my guess is that holds for the vast bulk of private games as well.
Mr. Quackenbush believes that there is no such thing as a good magic trick.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On 2011-08-23 18:08, AMcD wrote: You're both 100% wrong. It's not completely unregulated, it may not be regulated in the United States, but it's definitely regulated. http://www.gamingcommission.ca/ There are also online gaming commissions in Antigua, Panama, etc. The regulations are quite stiff, and some of the regulating bodies have levied fines in the many millions of dollars against online sites that have not appropriately followed that jurisdictions regulations. |
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bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts |
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On 2011-08-23 18:48, Artie Fufkin wrote: This certainly makes me feel safer! Folks are protected by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission! Brian
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
Whether it makes you feel safer is totally irrelevant.
The statement that online poker was "completely unregulated" was patently false, as clearly indicated. |
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bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts |
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On 2011-08-23 19:20, Artie Fufkin wrote: What is irrelevant is the Kahnawake Gaming Commission.
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?
Be honest now. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Antigua, Panama... Oh yes, I'm gonna change my mind, at once.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On 2011-08-23 20:04, AMcD wrote: Once again, your efforts at obfuscation aside, the statement made was simply wrong. There is regulation. I find your lack of knowledge to be substantial, and wonder what else you pontificate about in this forum that you really know nothing about. |
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