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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
As mentalists we spend a lot of time looking back to the past of mentalism in terms of techniques and performance. I've recently started looking ahead, and can see two possible futures:
1) Continuing our art, regardless of methods and blending trickery with finesse to create masterpieces of both storytelling and wonder in progressively more creative ways, using the tools that we have and adding to them slowly over time. 2) Reaching forward to true mind reading, assuming that it is graspable or nearly so, attempting to make mentalism as realistic as possible, through whatever means necessary, be it technology or some more innate faculty. Thus my question is, do you think that true mind reading will ever be possible? If so, how would that change how we present mentalism, and if not, then which is better; as accurate a portrayal of what we claim to do as possible, or a story/piece of art that our audiences can experience and revel in? I ask because I am currently tossing an idea around regarding an effect I may release as "the Grail" which I feel may get so close as to be indistinguishable from real mind reading.
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Sariel Loyal user 258 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 19:59, DekEl wrote: I wish your "grail" is not as unreliable as Air Writing. Your Air Writing is good in theory but too flawed in practice. |
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 20:04, Sariel wrote: I'm sorry that you feel that way, but my question remains.
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david12345 Special user 714 Posts |
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What will be impressive or entertaining about mentalism/mind reading if it becomes truly possible, at least if by truly possible you mean that everyone acknowledges and understands that it is real and exists? Of course if you mean real to a select few who learn or develop the skill than that is different. I do wonder how many performers think that TRUE mindrerading will ever be possible sans a select few who have already practice it. I would love to know what your "grail" is? |
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
Well I say yes and my next promotion is the answer.
Proof of life after death. Proof of mind to mind connection. Proof of out of body travel. Jim
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 20:13, Jim-Callahan wrote: Thanks, Jim. Your next promotion as in a show/act of some form?
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The great Gumbini Inner circle 3062 Posts |
Mind reading? I believe we will be able to mind "guess" but that will be about it. The human mind is such a mystery and I believe it will remain just that. Now will more mentalism come out in the future that will "look" more like real mind reading? Yes I believe so.
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Good take Eric......
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 21:06, The great Gumbini wrote: An interesting and realistic view on the issue. Thanks, Eric.
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Godzilla Inner circle Tied & Untied Witches on 5316 Posts |
I guess we will be seeing Randi present a check to Jim in the future for the amount of one million !
Dekel,good luck on your 'The Grail',you will have to change the wording under you rabbit in hat ! 'No more creates MindTricks' And, if you could help men understand women better...that would be real mind reading !!! -G
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tiptophat Loyal user Wesley 269 Posts |
There are so many thigs purporting to be the grail.....I wonder if there really is just ONE.....IMHO.
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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On 2011-08-22 21:26, Godzilla wrote: Thanks. It would and wouldn't be a trick. You could tell them to think of anything, then name it, but you would know they couldn't think of anything. They wouldn't, though. It's hard to explain but I've seen something on a lower level work quite well so I have a feeling that scaling it up couldn't be overly difficult, especially if I coupled it with one of my own linguistic forces. Quote:
If I could help men understand women better then I wouldn't be a mentalist.
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Jon_Thompson Inner circle Darkest Cheshire 2404 Posts |
Aren't we looking for the philosopher's stone before gathering evidence for its existence?
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2011-08-23 04:29, Jon_Thompson wrote: Much like with deity?
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Jon_Thompson Inner circle Darkest Cheshire 2404 Posts |
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On 2011-08-23 05:14, Pakar Ilusi wrote: Ooooh, that's a thorny subject! |
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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On 2011-08-23 04:29, Jon_Thompson wrote: That's a good point, and what the thread's about. There is evidence for it's existence at least on one angle of it (technologically), but it will be quite a while before that's possible.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
The answer is, I don't know...
I have plenty of possibilities in my head...i have no evidence for any of them (well, not scientifically provable/testable I suppose if I'm being absolutely honest)... but something in my mind tugs at my inner core and says "there will always be things we cannot explain...". I have many questions about us as humans, here's some: how can a person be born with a natural talent? for example - how can some open their mouths and it sounds beautiful when they sing, even when they come from tone-deaf parents and the person with the beautiful voice has never trained or practiced...just out it comes... same with languages - it can definitely click with some people... we are animals, modern primitives... all animals have instincts that help them stay alive, be alert to danger etc... don't we have the same? has it been dulled because we rely on other things to do it for us? isn't it still in us? if so...is it equal amongst us all? can some be better at that instinctual process than others? just like singing... as for mentalism itself, we'll have a duality going on...as science reveals more and more interesting things, we may find more and more interesting premise to use because of that...inversely, we may uncover that what we may have called magick is now explainable as science, just as we may never understand ourselves fully..thats why we seek our answers in other things...be it religion, art, music, wine... life is too fluid and interesting to say "yes...for definite...this and only this! forever". we can explain biochemically why we fall in love. statistics dictate that the "one and only" we believe we have, isn't actually true...we have several one and onlys...yet try telling what we describe as "our heart" that...we insist there is only ever one and one only that you will fall in love with... we as humans, are fragile, beautiful, weird, clever, inventive, pattern-seeking, creative, joyous, violent, destructive, healing, loving creatures... there is only "now"... at least we can strive to have the humility to say "i don't know..." ultimately...
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ragingcalm Elite user 428 Posts |
What do you mean by real mind reading? Lie detecting machines and single cell neuronal recordings show that real mind reading is already possible, as long as mind reading is defined narrowly.
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Why do you care what we think - just develop it and release it
Do or do not Besides a pw routine seems just as powerful now as it was 1000+ years ago - beating many elaborate 21 century "new" effects The question is this anything really new?
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magic maniac Special user 516 Posts |
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On 2011-08-23 08:01, ragingcalm wrote: I agree, people read minds all the time. You don't have to be psychic to know if a young man stops eating and spends a inordinate amount of time on the phone, he's probably thinking about a girl 99% of time. Nor do you have to be psychic to know if someone gets cut off in their car, there ****ed. But as ragingcalm mentions, it will be limited to emotions and lifecycle patterns, and not a word someone is thinking. Now this could point could be moot if there's ever a nuclear war/meltdown, and we have a situation like the Chrysalids. |
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