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JohnWells
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Well, since we know the method (those of us who hadn't reached the conclusion that there are only so many ways to see into an envelope...), is there a likelihood that Mr. Prager will, perrhaps at a nominal cost, make available his innovation in the mode of preparing the envelope? That would be of use to me.
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On 2011-09-06 12:21, JohnWells wrote:
Well, since we know the method (those of us who hadn't reached the conclusion that there are only so many ways to see into an envelope...), is there a likelihood that Mr. Prager will, perrhaps at a nominal cost, make available his innovation in the mode of preparing the envelope? That would be of use to me.


I guess we will have to wait to see what he will do

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On 2011-09-06 11:20, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:

Personally I'm a bit tired of all the one-trick/one idea PDFs being put out constantly by so many, often without being tested for very long in the real world. What ever happened to compiling a book's worth of material, vetting it, testing and using it for more than a few weeks, and putting out something substantial?


I agree with this absolutely.
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Why are specific methods now being discussed in the public areas of the forum?

This entire thread belongs in Inner Secrets.
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On 2011-09-06 12:30, mastermindreader wrote:
Why are specific methods now being discussed in the public areas of the forum?

This entire thread belongs in Inner Secrets.


Seconded!
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I am really glad Prager decided to release this effect.

As you can see here http://mindshocks.com/products/j-prager-forgotten-envelope it is available for purchase for a disgustingly low price!!!

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I received a copy of the manuscript.

While I am not an expert on envelopes (far from it, actually,) the e-book contains an apparently cool idea for gimmicking one. I am a little embarrassed to say that I don’t own one of the necessary common items, but will definitely pick some up. I think it will be fun to try this out.

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I bought it out of curiosity - pretty similar to my handling in The Beautiful Lie for the Black and White Picture show...but my envelope is ungimmicked...
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I can't imagine why you need to have the envelope gimmicked when you can use a method like the one Iain mentions...?
The Mati Envelope
A brandnew peek device for the working mentalist!

Chance's Token
Tarot cards in a scenic piece of mystery.....
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On 2011-09-15 17:20, Nicolino wrote:
I can't imagine why you need to have the envelope gimmicked when you can use a method like the one Iain mentions...?


Or why not just go ahead and use Corinda's Khan Envelope Test, or the Test of the White Dwarf- the two effects that I advised Mr. Prager to read before referring to his effect as "new" or "original"?
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Indeed...and just to be clear, I wasnt saying I was inventing any of it! the khan envelope gets a credit in mine! I've just added a couple of subtleties tis all...
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To paraphrase a well known Mentalist (known to anybody who is serious about the art) " A lot of the "New material" is simply regurgitated stuff done badly"!
Tá sé ach cleas má dhéanann tú sé cuma mhaith ar cheann.
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Where can one find the khan envelope by Corinda? Is it in 13 Steps?
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"The Khan Envelope Test" used to be sold as a separate item by Corinda. Nowadays it can be found in volume One of Hull's "Encyclopedic Dictionary of Mentalism." You might also want to refer to my own "Test of the White Dwarf" which is in "The Art of Mentalism." (And also in Bascom Jones's "Magick")

Good thoughts,

Bob
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On 2011-09-15 17:34, innercirclewannabe wrote:
To paraphrase a well known Mentalist (known to anybody who is serious about the art) " A lot of the "New material" is simply regurgitated stuff done badly"!

Right. You can save yourself a lot of dough perusing your library of old books....
The Mati Envelope
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JohnWells
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Oh. Oh my. I was afraid that was the "secret preparation". Sometimes I hate being right. This is a good idea, but Mr. Prager had no business releasing it because it isn't his idea. Even the extra work that is "original" does not justify offering it as a product. The kerfuffle with "The Bite" is understandable, and Mr. Prager rectified the error. I'm not sure this is excusable.
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So, he committed the same mistake.
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation will suffice." Joseph Dunninger
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I have been receiving amazing feedback about my envelope (in private, to avoid attacks from the "pros".)

I am very satisfied with my creation, with "White Dwarf" or "The Khan Envelope Test" you use "cheap envelopes" while my Forgotten Envelope uses what appears to be a truly opaque envelope.

My envelope also gives you a more reliable and clear peek.
Jose Prager
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What "attacks from the 'pros'?" Are you referring to those of us who advised you as to the full history of your effect and whose advice you chose to ignore?

Kindly do NOT ask for my advice in the future. This is (at least) the SECOND time you have released material based on the work of others without permission.

Also please note that "your" method of preparing an envelope has existed since the days of the early spirit mediums.

It is very interesting that the only question you asked me in your last email was whether or not I still used the "White Dwarf" in my act.
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Can I have a refund, please...
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