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magiclimber Veteran user Boulder, Colorado 315 Posts |
Not sure if this is completely the right section, but...
Looking for additional info on the silk through mic effect. I have the ---- Magic booklet, but have some specific questions about making this illusion look good. Please PM if you have experience with this trick. I don't want to spoil anything here. Thanks. |
Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
The book Reel Magic may solve your problem.
This trick was often performed by Paul Diamond. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
Dr_J_Ayala Inner circle In search of Vlad Dracul and his 2169 Posts |
I agree with Bob - Reel Magic is great!
I would have to go and look it up, but I think I remember seeing something similar to this in one of the Tarbell books too. |
hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
The original Serpentine Silk was in Tarbell. It was done without a reel. I believe the reel was the only method used on the mic stand, though. There's something in Pallbearers Review called "Hypersilk'.
Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
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Dr_J_Ayala Inner circle In search of Vlad Dracul and his 2169 Posts |
That was the one I was thinking of. I think I remember one of our S.A.M. club members doing the Serpentine Silk, having added a reel to it. It made for a very smooth execution of the effect. Thanks, Richard!
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
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On 2011-08-28 21:00, hugmagic wrote: For clarification: The "Serpentine Silk" appears in Wilson's Complete Course, and it is a silk that unties itself. "Penetrative Silk" is in Tarbell vol 4, and the silk passes through a slat in a chair or a pole. I see no reason why the Penetrative Silk wouldn't work with a mike stand, but I have never tried this at all. Yet, given the relative expense of the two approaches for passing a silk through a pole, the Tarbell method should be worth checking out.
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
The Serpentine Silk is also in Tarbell, which predated Mark Wilson (Walter Gibson) by many years. I will look tomorrow to find the reference. I am sure the Serpentine Silk is in Rice, and there is probably a cross-reference for the original source.
The reason this sticks in my mind is I was surprised the Serpentine Silk could be done without a reel, as I had always knew of it being done with one. But I could be wrong. I'll look tomorrow. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
www.hughesmagic.com email-hugmagic@raex.com Write direct as I will be turning off my PM's. |
Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
Regarding the "Serpentine" effect....
"The Educated Knot" - Tarbell vol. 1, page 376 (reel-less) "Self Untying Rope" - Tarbell vol. 2, page 349 (reel-less) There are several handlings in Rice vol. 2, both self-tying and untying, with and without a reel. Regarding the penetration of a silk through another object.... "Penetrative Silks" - Tarbell vol 4, page 355 (reel-less) "The Penetrable Silk" - Rice vol. 2, page 863 "Master Silk Thru Ropes" - Rice vol. 2, page 908 (reel-less) Michael Ammar goes over instruction of the "Serpentine" and mic penetration effects on Easy to Master Thread Miracles vol. 1. And, of course, there's the Albenice book.
Michael J.
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
Michael, Thanks for the references. I was just about to dig out the books to check it out when I decided to check the Café first.
It just shows that often there are many references to the same effect. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
www.hughesmagic.com email-hugmagic@raex.com Write direct as I will be turning off my PM's. |
Chubby New user Puerto Rico 3 Posts |
I bought a reel and a silk, but I'm having trouble with the effect... When the "untying" part comes, it seems to get stuck between where the reel is attacked to the silk and the knot. Any help?
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magic4545 Inner circle Jimmy Fingers 1159 Posts |
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
Chubby commented:
-----begin quote---- When the "untying" part comes, it seems to get stuck between where the reel is attacked to the silk and the knot. -----end quote----- I think the critical issue here is how the th---d is attached to the corner of the silk. I use a needle to attach it to the very tip of the silk. That way when the corner of the silk moves up to go through the knot, there is nothing for the corner to catch on. Of course, a lot depends on how tight or loose the knot is that you tie in the silk in the first place. I'm trying to remember whether Anverdi's lecture notes included a version of the serpentine silk without using a reel. He had some nice effects with the same basic arrangement with a silk. I used to use the Anverdi arrangement with the t----d anchored to my roll-on table. I even experimented once with using that arrangement for the "Flash Silk Appearance" from Tarbell, Volume 4. I had to do the silk production as an opening effect of course. And while the audience's eyes are on the self-untying silk, you have great misdirection for the other hand to.... ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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asgar Elite user 409 Posts |
Where can I buy a good serpentine silk?
Magic is believing in yourself, if you can do that, you can make anything happen.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On 2013-09-02 01:17, asgar wrote: At a women's apparel shop, that sells all the extra pieces. Preferably in the 24 inch square range. Women use to call them Head Scarves made of silk. Some are very colorful. |
ehands Special user Mississippi 524 Posts |
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On Sep 2, 2013, asgar wrote: Steven's Mar 2015 catalog offers a 3"x27" yellow & green snake silk for $15.
"Oh look, we have created enchantment." Blanche DuBois
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
No one has mentioned ALBENICE. I believe that he was the performer who first used the r**l as motivator. I bought my first P&L r**l in 1947, and have "worn out" a few!
I haven't seen any posts by "Chubby" (above in this thread) in several years. I have written up a "different" way of attaching the r**l thr**d to the s*lk, plus some tips on handling the s*lk when rolling it into a "serpent", and tying the kn*t. The timing of the untying is critical. Regarding silk penetration thru mike stand: the OP's post is now five years old. If he reads this, PM me.
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
Dale Salwak always does a great job with this effect--doing it with a cane instead of a mike stand, as shown at 1:04 into this clip from one of the
"Masters of Illusion" specials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz--cF7kCuw Dale does the trick twice--and interestingly seems to get a bigger response from the audience the second time! ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Right Sonny! Neil Foster used a cane, too.
I just do it once, as a follow up and finish to my "illusion" routine. It "gets" 'em! Denny Loomis worked out a handling, if my old mind is functioning, so he could repeat it without the "set up" move! He showed it to Neil, and Neil was delighted, but told Denny not to tip it. Denny showed me, but, I'll never do it.
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
Neil Foster was a mentor to Dale Salwak. Both of course are Chavez School graduates.
I used to daydream about being a Chavez student--following in the footsteps of Neil Foster, Channing Pollock, Norm Nielsen, et al. I first learned about the school from the ads in GENII. World War II vets could attend the Chavez School under the G.I. Bill, which speaks highly of the regard that the U.S. government had for the school. Benny Chavez was Filipino, and I imagined that he would have approved of and welcomed a fellow Filipino-American like myself enrolling in the school. In the Preface to my unfinished magnum opus, I refer to the "Hay-Edwards_Ganson School of Magic" as being the magic school that I attended, and that my "diploma" from that school is as valuable as the diplomas from any of the colleges that I've attended in Virginia, North Carolina, and Maryland. Henry Hay and Earl Edwards were personal friends. I wish I had had the opportunity to meet Lewis Ganson as well. ----- Sonny
----- Sonny Narvaez
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