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metaljohn
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What do you guys think about the Backslip Force? I'm not sure if it's because I'm not doing it properly or if I just need more practice, but as simple as this sleight may be, I find it hard to conceal. As a result, I still haven't used it yet in a trick as I usually use a different force.

I know Paul Wilson doesn't like it cause he says you can easilly get caught. I still think it can be useful in certain situations.
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I use it all the time and haven't been caught once, it's a little angley but it's pretty obvious where your weak angles are - practice in the mirror to be certain though.
Have the deck shuffled first then use something like a bubble-peek to spot what the force card will be.

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Chris -
when using, do you just hold the deck still, or do you do the rotating both hands bit to point to the face of the card above? This hides the move and the noise, but then it looks like you're just looking at the card above to become a key card? so I'm not so keen on it. would love to hear your opinion if possible (or anyone else's of course!)

Many thanks

Jamie
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It is quite useful,especially if you already use the riffle force, or planning to use it.
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Don't forgot the inevitable "click" when doing it................ Smile
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Chris -
when using, do you just hold the deck still, or do you do the rotating both hands bit to point to the face of the card above? This hides the move and the noise, but then it looks like you're just looking at the card above to become a key card? so I'm not so keen on it. would love to hear your opinion if possible (or anyone else's of course!)

Many thanks

Jamie
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Here's what I do:
move forward your left hand, right hand hold still. to show the spectators your card.

larger motion covers smaller motion, right?
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Check out (if you can) the work on the slip force by David Williamson. This involves one-hand fanning the top packet, seems reasonably (ish) motivated and is good on the deceptive - ometer.
I have to confess that I prefer forcing the bottom card using a variation on the John Bannon method (smoke and mirrors?) with a beveled deck - very good angles.
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The Paper Engine - Aaron Fisher, has a decent variation of the Slip Force
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On 2011-08-30 13:36, puggo wrote:
Check out (if you can) the work on the slip force by David Williamson. This involves one-hand fanning the top packet, seems reasonably (ish) motivated and is good on the deceptive - ometer.
I have to confess that I prefer forcing the bottom card using a variation on the John Bannon method (smoke and mirrors?) with a beveled deck - very good angles.
Charlie

I believe youre referring to Sid Lorraine's method.
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Gary Kurtz' work on the move is worth study.
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After the deck is shuffled I explain that I'm going run my thumb down the corner of the deck and they're to say stop whenever they like.
I then turn my head away, and hold the deck with the face card towards the spectator and angled down slightly, when they call stop I ask them if they'd like to go any further or go back at all.
I then pull out the top stock as I bring the bottom half forwards and push the selection off of the top of the bottom pile and put it on the table infront of them.
Nothing groundbreaking but it serves me well!
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On 2011-08-30 13:36, puggo wrote:
Check out (if you can) the work on the slip force by David Williamson. This involves one-hand fanning the top packet, seems reasonably (ish) motivated and is good on the deceptive - ometer.
I have to confess that I prefer forcing the bottom card using a variation on the John Bannon method (smoke and mirrors?) with a beveled deck - very good angles.
Charlie


I think I've seen Chris Korn use this back in his Mondo Magic episodes. It does make a good way of covering the method.

Joshua Jay also teaches a variation on this force which eliminates that "click".

And I remember Steven Youell some touches on this buried somewhere in the Trapdoor...

Personally I don't use this force though.
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The Kurtz handling is good, as is Carney's in Carneycopia.

I'm not sure why someone would prefer the original handling though. Why not just do a riffle force instead? Or a classic, for that matter? The original is pretty terrible.
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I use Aaron Fisher's Covered Backslip Force from his FISM 2003 notes.
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Best backslip force I've ever seen in print is in The Complete Works of Derek Dingle. I only mention it here because I know no one will bother looking it up.
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I used to talk about this at lectures. I'd demonstrate how most people do that force - and say that it looks as if they're doing a ballet; "We won't use this card" as he swivels to the right to show the face card of the top half - "...because I can see it. So, we'll use this card" as he swivels back to the left. Should have a violin playing as it's done! Then I'd demonstrate how to do it without the "ballet." I think I wrote it up somewhere, darned if I can of where. HL.
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metaljohn
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^ Any of your books teach it?

The only method I know of is the one tought in Royal Road.
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Oh and Ben Salina's method which is that "ballet thing" Harry mentioned above
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Hi metaljohn,
Harry teaches the backslip force in his "Harry Lorayne's Best Ever! Collection" dvd Vol. 1 the teaching is hilarious!

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