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magiclimber
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Does anyone else have insight to the martin breese reels? I also found the GK reel to be too weak and slow.
Bill Hegbli
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On 2011-10-17 17:53, magiclimber wrote:
Does anyone else have insight to the martin breese reels? I also found the GK reel to be too weak and slow.


To weak and slow for what? The Martin Breeze Unique Magic Studio reels are similar to the P&L and Kirkendall reels.

Reels do not have to super strong or fast as lighting to perform with. If you are looking for the silk threw microphone stand or cup handle, any of the reels work just fine. Then it is your technique, not the reel.

As a general statement, I find members on the Café I like to blame the equipment instead of their lack of knowledge and abilities. Once one finds the equipment, research how to use it correctly.
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I am not sure if the new Kirkendall reels are made exactly the way George did. I must say again I have always found it to be satisfactory. Using a proper weight and size silk it should work fine for you.

If there is a problem with it, I would contact where you bought it and let them know.

I wish I lived closer I would be happy to look and it and see if there is a problem with the reel or your technique.

Richard
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I agree with William and Richard. If you are having a problem with a Kirkendall, then either it has been used incorretly and damaged somehow, or you have a poorly-made re-production/knockoff, or your technique needs practice and tweaking. I have never had issues with my original Kirkendall and the only maintenance I have ever had to give it was to lubricate the mechanism when it needs it. The same, practically maintenance-free life has held true for my El Duco reel as well.
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To address:

I bought the reel, new, from Stevens, so I think and assume it is a legitimate GK reel. Not sure if they still make them (the GK reels) like they use to. When did you (wmhegbli and hugmagic) buy yours? If the production changed we could be comparing apples to oranges even though both are GK brand. One note concerning the quality of MY reel: After only a few pulls, I noticed what looked like the thread beginning to fray. For the people who use the GK reels, has this ever been a problem? Did you retension the reel? Change the thread?

It is very possible that my technique needs practice. I showed the reel, with lightweight silk, to two older, very knowledgeable magicians and both, independently, concluded is was too slow. Yet, others here on the Café, say the reel works great so who knows.

Perhaps wmhegbli or hugmagic could post a video, pictures, or detailed text of the set up and operation. To show lengths, friction points, tips, potential problems, etc. I know that's a lot to ask, but others here on the Café have said the same thing. I assume the length the silk must travel could play a part in its secret journey becoming known. The concern I have is even after the set up, the speed at which the reel pulled did not even seem close to portraying the illusion. This could mean the reel is defective, or my set up is wrong, or really any number of things. I researched the reel book and what I could find in tarbell (which wasn't much) and still have problems.

Either way, I am adament about find a reel that works well and it dependable.

Thanks for the feedback!
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Sounds to me like the reel is not made to original standards. Just because some one has the parts and the trademark stamp, it it does not mean they know how to put it all together.

First, I would contact Stevens and let them know of the problem. I know they would want to know if there is a problem.

I have some over 35 years old and some I bought second hand and reworked. All were made by George Kirkendall himself.

If you can not reach a satisfactory resolution through Stevens, I would be happy to take a look at it and rethread and adjust the tension on it.

Richard
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Bill Hegbli
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Magiclimber, your statement tells me you expect the reel to do the magic for you. "... the speed at which the reel pulled did not even seem close to portraying the illusion."

Again the reel does not do he trick, it is only an assistant. You are expecting the reel to cause the penetration, it does not.

I am sorry but a tutitorial on the reel would be exposer. I can suggest you replace the working thread with 3 pound fishing line.

I offered the Paul Diamond Reel video that will explain solutions for your problems, you rejected the offer. There is a booklet called the REEL MAGIC.
http://www.stevensmagic.com/product/othe......1573.htm

You will find instructions for the reel here: http://www.gary-michaels.com/kirk.html by George Kirkendall.
magiclimber
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I did not see where you offered the Paul Diamond Reel video. I have the reel magic booklet, as previously stated. Also I will contact Stevens and discuss.

But to a point, yes, I expect the reel to do SOMETHING. Otherwise I wouldn't have it attached to a silk. However, those were only my thoughts and since two of you are adamantly recommending and standing by the GK reel, I'll look into it again.

Thanks for the other links.
magiclimber
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You are right, you did offer me that video. You offered to sell me a homemade copy for $35.

Quoted from your PM:
"I have made a copy of the Paul Diamond VHS video on Reel Magic, if you would like a copy that will explain what you need to know and how to handle the reel for the trick you are seeking, I will sell you a copy of the video for $35.

You can buy the reel at many different magic shops, and the 24" silk"

Just thought the Café should know, in case they want to buy it. Once again, how are you affiliated with Paul Diamond Magic, or authorized to sell his products?
Bill Hegbli
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Once again, I am not selling the video, I am changing for all other services, production, package, disc, mail, fees, etc. The video is free, but being it is electronic media, it has to be stored on something. If someone whats something they should pay the expenses to get it to them. This is an out of production item, and will not be produced in the future. This is not a Paul Diamond Magic product, Paul sold his business to another party, but not this video set.

As I informed you I have withdrawn my offer to you for this information. If you ever get to Fort Wayne, you can visit and I will let you view the video tape at my place for free. LOL
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I wish I still had my Thornton Windlass from Kantner's.......that thing was built like a tank and I used it for just about anything on stage that required it.....like a card fountain, or flying silk from glass to offstage, for example.

I think I donated it to the "Charitable gifts to worthy magicians" fund......some of my magic friends needed props at some points and that was one of them...

Just a tip here......again.....I suggest buying the Albenice Reel Magic booklet FIRST....LOTS of great stuff in it regarding tricks and tips with reels. Also, if you ever get a good reel like a Kirkendall, El Duco, etc......it will pay you to learn how to correctly dissemble and repair it,,,,and that takes patience...
magiclimber
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Thanks! I'll look into getting that book.
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