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OK, the 911 coloring book promotes hatred and must be removed from circulation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEGsnWZKh8

But the Islamic "Mickey Mouse" is perfectly fair and balanced!
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Lobo, there were essentially three things being said, they are islamic muslim radical extremist, they hate "you" for your freedoms (and this is why they attacked,) and "you," and your "society" are free.

I'll admit "they" don't like a lot about america, but that is not why "they" attacked, and that was my point.

Also, I was not hanging that on whether or not you are really free. That is a separate point, and the first is not contingent on it.

Even if they did attack you for your freedoms, the reality of your freedom is separate from their perception of it.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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On 2011-09-03 05:23, ed rhodes wrote:
OK, the 911 coloring book promotes hatred and must be removed from circulation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEGsnWZKh8

But the Islamic "Mickey Mouse" is perfectly fair and balanced!


Who is saying that?
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. Also, there's something to be said about being the bigger "man."
But enough about "us" and "them" and other such divisive collectivism.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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OK, the 911 coloring book promotes hatred and must be removed from circulation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEGsnWZKh8

But the Islamic "Mickey Mouse" is perfectly fair and balanced!


Who is saying that?
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. Also, there's something to be said about being the bigger "man."
But enough about "us" and "them" and other such divisive collectivism.


They are. They've been criticized for the children's show and they defended themselves claiming they have a right to preach anger and hatred toward America and Israel to their children. But we're supposed to be all sweetness and light and not produce anything that puts them (or a small group of them) in a negative light? Can you say "hypocrisy" boys and girls? I knew you could.
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Ed, who are "they?"

If you are referring to those preaching "hatred" to their children, well, that would just be be part and partial with their hatred. However, that was not, at least as far as I saw, the issue/criticisms being brought up here, which is what it seemed you were responding to.
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I realize I'm just an outsider to this conversation, but I really, truly don't understand what you guys are disagreeing about.

gdw: What statement by whom are you disagreeing with?
lobo: what about gdw's disagreement do you think is mistaken?
Ed: who are you talking about?

Maybe it's just me, but I am lost.

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On 2011-09-03 11:50, ed rhodes wrote:
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OK, the 911 coloring book promotes hatred and must be removed from circulation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEGsnWZKh8

But the Islamic "Mickey Mouse" is perfectly fair and balanced!


Who is saying that?
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. Also, there's something to be said about being the bigger "man."
But enough about "us" and "them" and other such divisive collectivism.


They are. They've been criticized for the children's show and they defended themselves claiming they have a right to preach anger and hatred toward America and Israel to their children. But we're supposed to be all sweetness and light and not produce anything that puts them (or a small group of them) in a negative light? Can you say "hypocrisy" boys and girls? I knew you could.

Farfour (the mouse) was taken off the air after 5 episodes ran circa April-June of 2007. The character was heavily criticized by nearly everyone at the time. From the news of that day:

"The program was opposed by the Palestinian Broadcasting Corp., which is controlled by the Fatah movement of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, a Hamas rival that shares power with the militants in the Palestinian government."

"Palestinian Information Minister Mustafa Barghouti said the character — a giant black-and-white rodent with a high-pitched voice — represented a “mistaken approach” to the Palestinian struggle against Israeli occupation. Barghouti is an independent aligned with neither Hamas nor Fatah."

So whoever your "they" is, it was a relatively small fringe group.
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On 2011-09-03 12:12, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
I realize I'm just an outsider to this conversation, but I really, truly don't understand what you guys are disagreeing about.

gdw: What statement by whom are you disagreeing with?
lobo: what about gdw's disagreement do you think is mistaken?
Ed: who are you talking about?

Maybe it's just me, but I am lost.

John


In saying that "radical" is the only thing that's "remotely true," I think he incorrectly dismisses at least some truth in the quoted excerpt with respect to "terrorist," "Islamic Muslim extremists," "hate the American way of life" and "because we are free."

With respect to the last part of those claims, as the topic moved to focus on, I cited particular freedoms that contribute to a hatred of America among at least some radical fundamentalists. Matt Stone and Trey Parker didn't get death threats because they made statements advocating intervention in Middle East affairs.
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Ed, who are "they?"

If you are referring to those preaching "hatred" to their children, well, that would just be be part and partial with their hatred. However, that was not, at least as far as I saw, the issue/criticisms being brought up here, which is what it seemed you were responding to.


I am responding to the fact that the Islamic community is up in arms over a coloring book while they promote hatred and intolerance in a children's television show. And defend it. Is that clear enough for you?
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Ed, which "Islamic Community" are you referring to? Islamic communities in the USA are different from those in other countries, aren't they?

John
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Which Islamic Community is complaining about the coloring book? Which Islamic Community is producing (or at the very least, defending) the children's show?

Is there anybody in any Islamic Community protesting the children's show?
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Ed, who are "they?"

If you are referring to those preaching "hatred" to their children, well, that would just be be part and partial with their hatred. However, that was not, at least as far as I saw, the issue/criticisms being brought up here, which is what it seemed you were responding to.


I am responding to the fact that the Islamic community is up in arms over a coloring book while they promote hatred and intolerance in a children's television show. And defend it. Is that clear enough for you?

The Islamic community is hardly "up in arms' protesting the coloring book. A few representatives spoke about it, that's all. Well, unless you have seen / read something more about this that I am unaware of.

In case you missed my earlier post, many in the Islamic community DID protest against that chidren's television show you mentioned and its character Farfour the mouse.
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"terrorist," "Islamic Muslim extremists,"
I wasn't arguing those points Lobo, I was encompassing them with the term "radical." Sorry if there was some confusion because of that.

As I said, my points were that they did not attack because they "hated you for your freedoms," and that "you" are not really "free."
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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I won't forget you Robert.
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What is the big deal? Don't they have the right to publish a book if they want? No one is forcing anyone to purchase it. It is not mandatory reading in shcool. What is the fuss? Is it any different than calling anyone who is not muslim an infidel?

Now get busy and start coloring. Smile
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Aces, they have every right to publish such a book, just as everyone else has every right to criticize it.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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The problem is that these criticisms don't stop at merely criticizing but typically include demands to cease publication.
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The problem is that these criticisms don't stop at merely criticizing but typically include demands to cease publication.


That's fine. Demands, boycotts, etc. What's not fine is when these demands are accompanied by violence.
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On 2011-09-03 15:17, balducci wrote:

I am responding to the fact that the Islamic community is up in arms over a coloring book while they promote hatred and intolerance in a children's television show. And defend it. Is that clear enough for you?


The Islamic community is hardly "up in arms' protesting the coloring book. A few representatives spoke about it, that's all. Well, unless you have seen / read something more about this that I am unaware of.

In case you missed my earlier post, many in the Islamic community DID protest against that chidren's television show you mentioned and its character Farfour the mouse.


I haven't heard any Islamic individuals or groups go public with criticism of any decisions made by either radical or mainstream members of the Islamic community at large.
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On 2011-09-03 15:17, balducci wrote:

I am responding to the fact that the Islamic community is up in arms over a coloring book while they promote hatred and intolerance in a children's television show. And defend it. Is that clear enough for you?


The Islamic community is hardly "up in arms' protesting the coloring book. A few representatives spoke about it, that's all. Well, unless you have seen / read something more about this that I am unaware of.

In case you missed my earlier post, many in the Islamic community DID protest against that chidren's television show you mentioned and its character Farfour the mouse.


I haven't heard any Islamic individuals or groups go public with criticism of any decisions made by either radical or mainstream members of the Islamic community at large.


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