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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I don't agree that a magician who learns hypnosis properly will then drop the magic. Different shows suit different audiences and markets, and there is no guarantee that everyone will want a hypnosis show instead of a magic show. It is quite possible to do both (many do) and even to do both in one show (admittedly less common).
My personal favourite type of show to attend is one that mixes mentalism with hypnosis. Now that my mentalism show is strong enough, I will be moving increasingly in that direction. It worked for Kreskin, among others.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I think maybe mixing magic with hypnosis meant like doing a few card tricks, then sticking a hand to a table, etc. I think he meant you wouldn't go back to using hypnosis in that way if you could it it properly. But that's just his opinion. Of course some would, some wouldn't.
I don't think he meant a magician would drop magic altogether. And it's true different markets, different shows. In many instances, hypnosis just isn't appropriate, and mentalism or magic would be a better choice. |
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griffindance Regular user 145 Posts |
Thank you to sduff for the more complete news link!
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Most of what I meant was as MP described it. I still can't for the life of me understand why someone would hire a magician to perform a hypnosis show, though.
As far as Tony, yes, I can see having several shows to serve the needs of different clients, but would market them and promote them separately. Combining magic and hypnosis has no foundation and makes no sense. Why would someone that can do card tricks, link some rings together, do some rope tricks or saw a girl in half somehow be qualified to safely be trusted with working with the subconscious minds of your students or guests? Also, what I mean is similar to when a magician decides to transform to mentalism. Typically, once you achieve success as a good mentalist, why would you go back to doing magic? Mentalism is much more amazing, perceived as real and believable, and gets a much stronger reality-based response. Once you've achieved that, why would you go back to "let me pull a quarter out of your ear?" Why would you go back to something the audience knows isn't real and does not believe when you can achieve mental miracles that have the audience at your feet believing in your abilities? When I see a magician doing mentalism, my first thought is he's just doing mental-magic with trickery. You still know it's not real. Yet when you see a "real" mentalist, you want to believe in their abilities and that maybe this is in some level all within us. They accept the possibility of it as plausible or real. Same for stage hypnosis. When you can put on a dramatic, hilarious, riveting show for 90 minutes or two hours, where the audience hangs on your every word and you absolutely blow them away and have them laughing out loud the entire time, why would you ever even consider going back to magic? Why, if you can earn $1000, $1500, $2000 or more for a single show, would you go back to earning a fraction of that? Why, if you can position yourself as a feature or headlining stage performer, would you go back to being a magician - one of many magicians which are much more common? If you worked hard to become the CEO of a company, why would you ever consider going back and working in the mail room? I don't see what's so hard to understand here. |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
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On 2011-09-05 06:55, mindpunisher wrote: Exactly. |
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Mauricio Jaramillo Elite user Colombia 413 Posts |
Thanks, Mindpunisher. Was always curious about that.
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
On Monday of last week, I was hired to do a full mentalist act, which I did. On Friday, I performed hypnosis for a private corporate company. On Saturday and tomorrow evening, I was/am booked for two close-up magic engagements.
What's the big deal? I also work as a professional musician and used to do the stand-up comedy circuit. Why, oh, why would I only eat the sugar donut when there are cream ones and jam ones and 6 or 7 others? Having read Mauricio's (and sduff) info, there would appear to be 2 options: 1) the kids were acting 2) mass hysteria, which would have possibly been a by-product of the initial acting
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tiriri Loyal user Ecuador 247 Posts |
In a previous post (of about a year ago), I mentioned that I don't agree with the idea of hypnotizing little children. I normally say in my shows that I will hypnotize teenagers and adults. Sometimes when the parents really insist, I might do a test such as magnetic fingers or clasp hands, but no more.
On the other hand, I have to say that I have been, as a spectator, to hypnosis shows where the hypnotist was supposedly trained in psychology but didn't wake the volunteers up properly, which I believe could be dangerous, especially if they are driving home afterwards. But after reading the note and watching the news in Spanish, it sounds that in this case they might have not been woken up properly, and then maybe someone went back under, and then a massive hysteria got contagious among the other children because, obviously, they are very suggestible. Just my thoughts, Giovanni. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2011-09-05 18:26, bobser wrote: Mass hypnosis has been described as mass hysteria. Bad or no hypnosis training would make the situation far worse. I don't eat donuts, they rot your teeth. And what about the old jack of all trades, master of none? The truth is if the market was right and I could go back to doing regular high paid hypnosis shows, I would drop everything else tomorrow. I agree with Mindpro, the problem is that those conditions aren't available here just now. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2011-09-03 12:43, bobser wrote: Actually, Bob, it's a bad result. And, Benny Hinn does it on a regular basis. I did it once, and it was on TV on the news during a stop smoking day back in '94. They were all lying in the aisles, fallen off their seats, shaking and convulsing. There were about 200 of them, and it made the news on all channels. Mind you, there were only a couple of channels back then. It made the radio and a few national newspapers. Wish I had asked for the video tapes. It was recorded by STV. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
I think we're maybe at cross lines here. I'm not judging it. I'm merely saying that I find it fascinating IF he meant to do it. And fascinating IF he didn't, and for a different reason altogether. It's not a bad result. Neither is Benny Hinn's. They're both phenomenal results, in hypnosis speak. Remember, I am not, at this stage, judging either he or Hinn's ethics.
Mass hypnosis is NOT mass hysteria. I don't know who said/wrote that, but they don't understand anything about hypnosis. And by the way, I like to think I'm a master of several trades. Indeed, I know that I am. I get work, lots of it. Remember: "By their fruits shall ye know them." On the pro circuit, our income normally says who we are.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
If you were a true master at all your gigs, you would be earning a lot more per gig. But in this financial climate, doing more things isn't a bad idea. Although, you probably are very good.
I recall seeing the comparison about mass hysteria and hypnosis in a number of psychology text books many years ago. But now, I have definitely retired from arguing about definitions. |
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Owen Mc Ginty Special user not a stupid user, a special user. 533 Posts |
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On 2011-09-06 09:53, bobser wrote: I´m more fascinated with the results of Christianity and Islam. I mean, how many critical faculties have been completely bypassed there?
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Wow, Owen! I had to take a moment to think there. I like when somebody makes me do that. Thank you. You simply have to be spot on, of course.
Just like the most recent riots in England?
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
The riots in England, most of them don't have critical faculties. They are still waiting for evolution to catch up with them.
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hypnokid Regular user 172 Posts |
Just like the magistrates sentencing them. Stupidity is not limited to looters.
HK
Too much style to be a stage hypnotist.
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Chris Meece Special user Somerset Kentucky 864 Posts |
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On 2011-09-06 16:00, Owen Mc Ginty wrote: Just as much as the belief that once there was nothing and that nothing exploded on its own and made everything. Good to see you Owen .. I have been lurking on the forums. Not had the time nor the energy to post properly.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2011-09-08 06:06, hypnokid wrote: I see I'm curious HK what would be a wise thing to do with looters? Give them 30 days to return any goods for an exchange if they weren't happy with them? And did you manage to get a pair of trainers to fit you in time? |
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Owen Mc Ginty Special user not a stupid user, a special user. 533 Posts |
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On 2011-09-08 18:52, Chris Meece wrote: Hello Mr. Meece Nice you know you are alive and kicking. I´m also lurking more than posting these days. The whole "in the beginning" thing is beyond my comprehension. Maybe one day we´ll get there, but I doubt it
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Oh my lord what a load of crap.
I can sum it up in one word. HOGWASH! What EXACTLY are the "symptoms of collective hypnosis" anyhow? Come on guys. At BEST it is a demonstration of "modeling behavior". WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRANCE!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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