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On 2011-09-08 10:45, RNK wrote:
So let me try to get this correct? A person cuts freely to a card- the number of cards he cut to get to his chosen card IS the number he uses with the other deck when he counts to get to his freely cut to card from the other deck? Is this right?

RNK


No. But I can't elaborate without exposure.
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So let me try to get this correct? A person cuts freely to a card- the number of cards he cut to get to his chosen card IS the number he uses with the other deck when he counts to get to his freely cut to card from the other deck? Is this right?

RNK


Right.
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I'm with the people who fail to see what's amazing about this, based on the descriptions provided.
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So let me try to get this correct? A person cuts freely to a card- the number of cards he cut to get to his chosen card IS the number he uses with the other deck when he counts to get to his freely cut to card from the other deck? Is this right?

RNK


Ok- so I have someone saying NO- this is not correct and I have someone saying YES this is correct?

Anybody?

RNK
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On 2011-09-08 10:45, RNK wrote:
So let me try to get this correct? A person cuts freely to a card- the number of cards he cut to get to his chosen card IS the number he uses with the other deck when he counts to get to his freely cut to card from the other deck? Is this right?

RNK


Ok- so I have someone saying NO- this is not correct and I have someone saying YES this is correct?

Anybody?

RNK


It's not "exactly" correct. The actual number is not the number of cards cut, but the number of cards remaining on the hand after the cut.
Hands-off ACAAN - freely chosen card and number : http://doriancaudal.wix.com/miracaan
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So let me try to get this correct? A person cuts freely to a card- the number of cards he cut to get to his chosen card IS the number he uses with the other deck when he counts to get to his freely cut to card from the other deck? Is this right?

If that's really the solution then you could also sell an effect called N.D.O - New Deck Order (the ultimate prediction effect where you can predict - without peeking! - the position of any named card in a sealed Bicycle deck)!

No fishing, no magnets, spectator will have no clue....!
This would be as close to mindreading..........................and so on!
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I think way too much info is being shared in this forum concerning the specifics of this effect. Trying to pinpoint every aspect of the handling is simply wrong. I believe Devin produces quality effects and for that reason alone I purchased this PDF and was very satisfied with my purchase.
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I'd suggest there's a difference between 'pinpointing every aspect of the handling' and 'correctly defining the effect'.
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Here's the actual language of the advert in its entirety:

"Ok this one is being taught in my lastest lecture, but I have had hundreds of people write and say they won't be in a city I am lecturing in and can they please buy this by itself. With that thought in mind, I have included it in this PDF.

Imagine a freely selected card (no force) and a random number. There is deck on the table you have never touched. It has been in full view before the effect started. Anyone counts down to the random number and at that number is the freely selected card.

Let's go into more details. A red deck UNCASED is on the table. A blue deck is shown and person selects a card from the deck in his own hands. There is NO FORCE. The choice is free and the magician does NOT touch the deck during the selection. In fact, the magician doesn't even have see or know the card. Read that again. The person selects a card that is REALLY unknown to you! He shows it to the audience. If he doesn't like the card, he can replace it and select another card, no kidding!

To ensure a random number, a block of cards is cut off by the participant. He counts the cards aloud. There is no force, you have no idea how many cards he will have in his hands. You state that no one could have known how many cards would be in his hand. The number was derived at random by counting the number of cards in his hand. Assume he selected the four of clubs and the number of cards in his hand are 22.

Another person picks up the red deck which you have NOT TOUCHED and counts down from the top to the 22nd card. He always counts from the top face down. The card at position 22 is the 4 of Clubs. Baffling beyond words, and get this, NO SLEIGHTS, no math, no formulas to remember. Believe it or not, this is self-working. The few magicians I have taught this too have been doing this at magic club meetings and blowing away the other magicians. ULTRA-Clean. No gimmicks, just use any two decks."

***

So that's the description.

In truth, the selection of the first card and the "random" number of cards are made at the exact same time by the spec through the cutting procedure from the first deck. That's not exposure, that's what the specs will see. And then you use that information to have them deal down to the same card in the second deck.

I'll leave it up to you all to decide if the advert is misleading, or if the effect would be truly deceptive to anyone remotely intelligent.
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It is fooling most of the magicians shown to at lectures, until the method is explained. With that thought in mind, I will let you decide if it is deceptive. If you perform this as explained in my directions you will fool people, including many magicians badly.
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Glad it's working for you. I just honestly don't understand how.

And I also don't understand why, in the advert, you put the step "to ensure a random number, a block of cards is cut off by the participant" in a separate paragraph and sequentially after the paragraph describing the selection of the target card. Oh wait, maybe I do...
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To be honest I think if Devin did a demo of this people would still not be able to figure it out. In fact when it is performed it looks MORE impossible than the instructions describe. I will be the first to admit when I read the instructions I knew I had to try it to see what it would look like. Well it is very nice and the handling makes it look impossible. So buy it or don't. I'd buy it again if I didn't have it. Like all of Devins work you will learn a method you may not have known and if you did know you will see another application to use for another show. Anyway I like it.


Good magic to all,


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If cards are being cut off a deck at random in packs---how would you know the number of cards the person would have in his hand after the cards are taken away? This is a random number since the card packs cut off were random as well. I can see where the confusion can come in if you didn't know the method used. However you will know exactly what he is saying when you know the method. And I will say to the audience it will seem like real mentalism.


Good magic to all,


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On 2011-09-08 23:34, The great Gumbini wrote:
If cards are being cut off a deck at random in packs---how would you know the number of cards the person would have in his hand after the cards are taken away? This is a random number since the card packs cut off were random as well.



There's an obvious answer to that, which you could only preempt with some convincing false shuffles to convince the specs that the cards in both packs were in truly random order.

ACAAN - which is only a 1-52 effect to begin with - requires a separation between the selection of the card and the selection of the number for its impact.

What would be truly convincing would be if the "number" selection were a second, unrelated step, as the advert is clearly meant to imply. When selling an effect, you have to expect some blowback when you deliberately misdescribe the observable procedures of a routine. Overegging the description is a tacit acknowledgement that there's a weakness in the effect.
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I don't think it acknowledges a weakness, but instead it's a way to avoid giving away the actual method within the advert. Bottom line, this effect will fool people, and probably most magicians Smile Oh, sorry, magicians are people too.
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I figured it out without to see it a single time... I believe the only one fooled, in this routine, is the performer
who believes to fool the audience or (LOL) the magician.
The amazing thing, aside the effect, is that Devin continues adverting it saying there is no force of any kind and this is true
just for the card because on the number part there is no choice and if someone see it I believe he will figure it out in one second
(to hide the number part you need a very good skill in misderection)

It is amazing to promote an effect saying there is NO forcing when the spectator has no choice for the number. It is the same
if you have a deck of cards and on the back of each card there is a number (1 - 52). You ask the spectator to select any card and, after his selection, you ask the spectator to turn it over and to see
the number on its back pretending the spectator believes that this number is free choice and without any reletionship with the card.

It is so obvious that the number is openly forced because there is no choice for the spectator.

Over all I call it this misleading.

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Entermagic,

I'm not sure by your post, if you have actually purchased this effect, and therefore fully understand the handling. If so, then I would encourage you to perform this for someone, maybe first a non-magician. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with their reaction.
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Gregory I didn't purchase it because it seems a BAD clone of Eyes of Darrkness,
but in this last one you really give the free selection illusion (actually the
card is forced and no one claims the contrary)

Devin claims there is no force at all and many of you purchased it for this
reason. This is a dirty work for a VIP.

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On 2011-09-08 20:34, MaxfieldsMagic wrote: Anyone counts down to THE random number and at that number is the freely selected card.

sic!
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On 2011-09-09 00:51, entermagic wrote:
I figured it out without to see it a single time... I believe the only one fooled, in this routine, is the performer
who believes to fool the audience or (LOL) the magician.
The amazing thing, aside the effect, is that Devin continues adverting it saying there is no force of any kind and this is true
just for the card because on the number part there is no choice and if someone see it I believe he will figure it out in one second
(to hide the number part you need a very good skill in misderection)


Not the case at all. This is featured in my lecture and magician's often gasp and say no way when the card is at the same number. I often ask the magicians if anyone knows how this is done before I reveal the secret. The majority have no clue. You guys who haven't bought this don't fully understand the routine and how it works. As I said before some of my magic friends took this to their club meetings and fooled every magician present, with many asking who invented this and where could they buy the secret.

If you don't like the concept or trick, fine, so be it. That doesn't stop the fact that this is one of the most popular things in my current lecture tour of over 30 cities. Many people are saying this trick alone was worth the lecture and many, many magicians are adding this to their routines. The method is far from obvious to any lay person and most magicians, only magicians with advanced card knowledge of principles and card math have figured it out, and they had to think about it, but said it was a very clever and disguised version of some little known principles...

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