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Or a d*** s***** is applied, but I don't want (and need) to fish either, so please don't consider answering, please!
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Guys, here's the bottom line. If you consider the process already discussed a 'force', so be it. You're better off buying something else if that level of interpretation would be a deciding factor for you. If you don't consider it a force, so be it. Buy it and fry your spectators with it, layman or magician. Trying to pin it down any further than has already been discussed would require exposure. The magician does not know the outcome until it is revealed. Either way, it is a great effect and fooler.
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Devin gave me an advice on how you can shuffle the deck before the effect. The cards can truly be shuffled and in that we don't know the order of the deck. That's a good point to hide the method for the spectator Smile
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Ok from what I read so far I believe people are assuming that you pull off a number of cards, you you look at the card, and then you count the cards you pulled off and bingo your card is there. Well then you WOULD need 2 decks set up exactly alike---pretty good trick (maybe) however this IS NOT the case here. I agree that would be too easy. The effect is good. It it simple. In this case the simplicity is what causes it to be baffling. A good example is look at how many people are trying to figure it out. And so far while the questions seem like fishing I really believe no one has the method on this. I may be wrong but from what I've read no one has it. Sometimes the most simple form of magic/mentalism is really the best.


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I'm confused by what you mean by the number is forced. It seems to me if you have 52 cards and someone peels off 30 then yes you will have 22 cards left in your hand. Is that number forced? No that's just math. Now will you know what card is in the 22nd spot? No you won't. This is NOT a memorized deck you are using here. You can do this a thousand times and each time it can have a different out come. Depends on what cards are where when you perform it.


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Originally I preferred eyes of darkness but having made a few suggestions to devin, I now prefer this affect.

For those who have the effect, like devin both a spectator and I mix up cards..

However, I have 4 spectators in a row.
Spectator 1 cuts off tiny packets which are tabled , then balance of deck handed to spectator 2 , he does the same , likewise spectator 3 . The above allows time for interplay with the spectators . With a reference to the child's party game of pass the parcel to music , spectator 4 is left holding the parcel or in this case a portion of the deck. Performer can focus on the fact that the number of cards held is dependent on the decisions made by the first three spectators and nobody could predict this in advance .
The above as imho another layer to hide the method and allows more people to be involved.
There is also away having the card looked at kept by the spectator rather than lost in the balance of the deck.

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I agree with entermagic that the number is forced, in the sense that the card selection and the number 'chosen' are not independent events, but the fist one determines (forces) the second one. Selecting a card will determine (no freedom here, ie force) the number.

Whether the magician knows the number or not is irrelevant to the notion of force. One can try to hide behind semantics but it's like burying one's head in the sand.

The modus operandi's obvious to any analytical mind and can be reverse-engineered easily with a bit a time to think about it, without pressure.

As per the shuffling before-hand, it's easy to see how a partial real shuffle can take place before the card gets selected...
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Good idea Andy.

The more I think about the effect, the more I like it.
No - the cards in the decks are not arranged in the same order, and YES, the deck may be shuffled by both the spectator and the magician - and this may also be a genuine shuffle and you really do not know the exact order of the deck the card is chosen from.

This is what will throw off even magicins in my opinion.

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Can your really let the spectator shuffle the whole deck before selecting a card? WOW, if that's the case I'll go and get it.
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No the spectator can't do a full deck shuffle..

That would real magic
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Yes I thought so, but I wanted it to be made plain here. The way Stefan described it, without nuance, it 'appeared' like it was possible.

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The way I do it is to have a spectator cut off half the cards and shuffle and I shuffle the balance, then I take both halves and riffle shuffle them together. The deck is then handed to participant to start cutting off blocks of cards on the table until he wants to stop. Although not explained in the original PDF, I have PM interested parties who have bought this and can prove it via paypal transaction, exactly how you can do this.

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Why was that handling not included in the original PDF? Is this how effects are sold now? "I'll sell you a method that doesn't really fulfill the description of the effect, and then for an additional charge I'll sell you a method that fixes the weakness in what I already sold you." If you have a fix, you should send it out to everyone who purchased the original manuscript. Not a fan of two-part transactions.
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You're being unfair. Devin has PM'd people who bought his product that they can have the new handling, obviously for free, and it's pretty clear, in reading previous posts, that the idea came after he'd marketed and sold it.
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On 2011-09-10 12:31, Francois Lagrange wrote:
You're being unfair. Devin has PM'd people who bought his product that they can have the new handling, obviously for free, and it's pretty clear, in reading previous posts, that the idea came after he'd marketed and sold it.


If I misread something, I apologize, but he sold the effect last week via his "insider" email. Now he says "the way I do it is..." and then describes a fundamentally different handling than was described in the PDF. That still wouldn't be an issue if the sequence of observable actions described in the advert was the same as those outlined in the PDF. In regards to these PMs you mention, I bought the PDF on the day it was advertised, but have received no update emails or a PM. Perhaps I misread the requirement for a "Paypal transaction" in Devin's last post to receive the updated handling as an expectation of additional funds; maybe he just meant that he wanted to verify that we purchased the effect already. But Devin already has a complete list of everyone who purchased the PDF via Paypal, and could send out the supplement based on that alone.
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On 2011-09-10 12:31, Francois Lagrange wrote:
You're being unfair. Devin has PM'd people who bought his product that they can have the new handling, obviously for free, and it's pretty clear, in reading previous posts, that the idea came after he'd marketed and sold it.


If I misread something, I apologize, but he sold the effect last week via his "insider" email. Now he says "the way I do it is..." and then describes a fundamentally different handling than was described in the PDF. That still wouldn't be an issue if the sequence of observable actions described in the advert was the same as those outlined in the PDF. In regards to these PMs you mention, I bought the PDF on the day it was advertised, but have received no update emails or a PM. Perhaps I misread the requirement for a "Paypal transaction" in Devin's last post to receive the updated handling as an expectation of additional funds; maybe he just meant that he wanted to verify that we purchased the effect already. But Devin already has a complete list of everyone who purchased the PDF via Paypal, and could send out the supplement based on that alone.


I see where you're coming from and I agree that some of your grievances are legitimate: I too think that the ad is misleading as far as the 'selection' of the 'random' number is carried out.
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Looking back at Devin's post, I did misread it. "...prove it via paypal transaction" is clearly not a solicitation for a supplemental sale. Sorry about that.
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The update is free and is being sent via email or PM to buyers. These are ideas I have discovered while doing this at lectures and talking with other people. These discoveries came after the pdf and ad were sent out. Since I am lecturing almost every day, I can only send emails at night after the lectures, hence my slowness in replying. I have said anyone who buys the pdf will have it in their mailbox within 24 hours.

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I received mine and it is really really nice. The effect will work without it but this is taking it to a deeper level. The update is yet another example of Devin making sure that he shares his ideas to make his effect even better. I mean what is the alternative? He thinks of a great idea AFTER he sends the original PDF and then says---"No I won't share this and that way I'll be able to do things people who own this won't be able to." I commend Devin for sending it. I will say one thing as well on Devins behalf---he really does want to share nice ideas with the magic community. He has always answered my email questions I had about his effects. Does he sell these ideas? Yes after all I'm sure the man has bills and he needs to make a living. Right now he is lecturing. That means there is a demand for his knowledge. He has added ideas and taught things that can only serve to make us better magicians and mentalists. If you feel that strongly against this effect don't buy it. I'm glad I did. I will use it. I tried to figure it out before hand and I had some ideas but when I tried them it didn't work. And when I read how to do it---I could have kicked myself for not knowing it. BUT that's the point until you know it chances are you are not going to figure it out. Some may but I have not met one yet that has figured it out yet.


Good magic to all,


Eric
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I received the free update from Devin via PM this evening. It explains two methods: one in which the magician shuffles the deck and the second in which the spectator can shuffle as well. I, too, would concur with The great Gumbini's comments.

Regards, Steve
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