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Todd Robbins
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There is very little a performer can do when they have been ripped of by another perform, but saying that this practice should be expected and excepted is just adding insult to injury.

I have received a lot of help and inspiration from many performers through the years, and have tried to show them respect. I have also tried to help my fellow performers as much as possible. But I have been ripped off a great deal through the years.

The saddest part is that it just weakens the industry when material is stolen. We have enough trouble gaining respect for the sideshow arts without the taint of hackneyed being added to it.

And I have found that confronting the thieves does very little good. They will either justify their theft or go out of their way to do harm to the people they stole from.

I must admit that occasionally I do something petty to someone that stole material from me. For instance, one time at gathering of sideshow people, I went out of my way to get booked on a show the night before a thief was scheduled to appear. I knew he would be doing my glass eating routine, so I wanted to cut him off at the knees by doing it first. And the next night, when the thief did his act, I was sitting in the front row watching him. I am shamed to admit that it was enjoyable to see the thief squirm a bit as he did my routine with not only me watching, but also a room full of people that knew the score.
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On 2011-09-09 02:28, Todd Robbins wrote:
There is very little a performer can do when they have been ripped of by another perform, but saying that this practice should be expected and excepted is just adding insult to injury.


That should have been "expected and accepted."
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Todd, I was going to fix the typo before I stole the line.
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Thank you, Martin.
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I posted something a moment a ago, but if seems to have vanished into cyberspace. Perhaps someone stole it. So I'll try stating it again.

If someone chooses to cloak their identity on the Café, that is their choice. Who they are is a guessing game of little interest. But if someone wishes to be anonymous, then this choice diminishes the validity of their opinion to next to nothing. And there is no reason to directly address a mystery person.

Occasionally ideas are put forth that need to be addressed. Whether they come from a cloaked individual or someone well known is irrelevant.

Two such ideas are that apathy towards thievery is acceptable and that the victim should be flattered that there material is good enough to steal. These are just wrong.

Drawing a line in the sand is not wining and complaining. Stating what is right and wrong is important as it can influence future decisions by others, especially those that come to a place like this looking for guidance.

It is always good to point out where the high road can be found.
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I agree with everything Todd Robbins said.

Now what do y'all think of when the progenitor states publically that they don't mind?
For example; Dennis Rogers is said to be the first one to roll a frying pan. He's said he doesn't mind other people doing it as long as they don't cheat.
So I figure I'm OK rolling a frying pan as long as I keep it real.
On the other hand, if I then call that rolled up frying pan a "redneck hot dog cooker" then I am stealing jokes from Steve McGranahan, and that part is not cool.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Years ago Lew Stamm painted a very distinctive showfront for me which I still own.
I recently discovered that someone took a photo of it and reproduced it digitally on his own front.
On 2 different occasions.
To say I was not pleased is an understatement.
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There is no debating that Michael Jackson created the moonwalk. Its fact. He was an entertainer that did it onstage during a tv special. People liked it people copied/stole it. Not once have I ever heard anyone ask him to do it or thank him onstage when doing it. If you recall Criss Angel when he did his rockstar thing and made a muic Video he did it twice in it. I never heard anyone call him a thief. Why is that and how is it any different then what happens in sideshow. Weird Al makes a living off of copying others stuff and putting his twist on it. He asked Coolio to do a version of his song and was told no.Al did it anyways. Entertainers do it all the time and will continue to do so. Sideshow & magicians are the only ones really that make a big deal out of it. Until there are laws passed protecting stuff its going to happen. Whether or not I think its right or wrong has no affect on it. There is nothing I can do to change that. Unless I came into power over writing laws to protect the rights of creators and presentations.
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2 years ago my Front ended up in a Church's Chicken commercial!..contacted 2 Lawyers and neither would take my case...Pissed!, No, frustrated, yes...
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Oh wow never saw that before. Nobody would take your case yet a guy can sue McDonalds for coffee being too hot. Go figure. I think a lot has been taken wrong I have said. Until there are better specific laws on many things pertaining to sideshow protecting rights of everyone and everything I personally wont stress myself over something I cant do anything about. Its sucks sure it can stress or bother me if I let it. Maybe one day things will change who knows. I remember Enigma being mad he had his picture used in a book and Katzen was on the cover. I don't know if she was unhappy over it but I know he sure was. He felt he deserved money for it but as far as I know that went nowhere. All because the photos were from the guy that did the work on them and had copyright on them. Sure I can see both sides of being in the right. I also see Enigma in many tattoo magazines and he isn't complaining about that.
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On 2011-09-09 18:34, Sideshow Outlaw wrote:
There is no debating that Michael Jackson created the moonwalk. Its fact.


From Wiki:"There are many recorded instances of the moonwalk, similar steps are reported as far back as 1932, used by Cab Calloway.[4] In 1985, Calloway said that the move was called "The Buzz" when he and others performed it in the 1930s.[5] In 1955 it was recorded in a performance by tap dancer Bill Bailey. He performs a tap routine, and at the end, backslides into the wings.[6] The French mime artist Marcel Marceau used it throughout his career (from the 1940s through the 1980s), as part of the drama of his mime routines. In Marceau's famous "Walking Against the Wind" routine Marceau pretends to be pushed backwards by a gust of wind"

Research the history of things before you comment on them. Sideshwo included.
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On 2011-09-09 19:56, blackguyver wrote:
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On 2011-09-09 18:34, Sideshow Outlaw wrote:
There is no debating that Michael Jackson created the moonwalk. Its fact.


From Wiki:"There are many recorded instances of the moonwalk, similar steps are reported as far back as 1932, used by Cab Calloway.[4] In 1985, Calloway said that the move was called "The Buzz" when he and others performed it in the 1930s.[5] In 1955 it was recorded in a performance by tap dancer Bill Bailey. He performs a tap routine, and at the end, backslides into the wings.[6] The French mime artist Marcel Marceau used it throughout his career (from the 1940s through the 1980s), as part of the drama of his mime routines. In Marceau's famous "Walking Against the Wind" routine Marceau pretends to be pushed backwards by a gust of wind"

Research the history of things before you comment on them. Sideshwo included.


Interesting...Can you Identify yourself now?...otherwise I am going to have to disregard your post, Not by choice, but because I am trying to follow Protocol...
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On 2011-09-09 10:22, Todd Robbins wrote:...if someone wishes to be anonymous, then this choice diminishes the validity of their opinion to next to nothing. And there is no reason to directly address a mystery person.

Occasionally ideas are put forth that need to be addressed. Whether they come from a cloaked individual or someone well known is irrelevant.


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On 2011-09-09 20:07, blackguyver wrote:
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On 2011-09-09 10:22, Todd Robbins wrote:...if someone wishes to be anonymous, then this choice diminishes the validity of their opinion to next to nothing. And there is no reason to directly address a mystery person.

Occasionally ideas are put forth that need to be addressed. Whether they come from a cloaked individual or someone well known is irrelevant.



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That's just Todd Robbins opinion, and I'm not even sure He's Real yet...So if you could Fax, E-mail, or snail-mail your resume to my Offices, After reveiw, I can probaly start giving your posts merit...
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Wiki is not a reliable source. Its put together and edited by anyone. I used to screw around on that site and claim my ancestors had come up with the name for the fruit known as the orange. From that lil bit of blackguyvers infinite wisdom though I did notice it said similar not the same. So are you claiming Michael Jackson now "stole" that move? Or are you saying he saw something, knew there was no legal law protecting any alterations to it & turned it into something of his own.Because I have never seen the same thing done before he had done it. Ive seen similar but not the same. Its like DJ's sampling stuff from others in a way. The law works weird. Sometimes I want to come clean and admit Blackguyver is actually my split personality debating on topics we don't see eye to eye. Its baffles me sometimes as well.
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Hey "Curator", wasn't talking to you, I was commenting on Todd's comment. Besides, I've never worked a carnie lot, so my opinion doesn't matter to you anyway.

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"So are you claiming Michael Jackson now "stole" that move? Or are you saying he saw something, knew there was no legal law protecting any alterations to it & turned it into something of his own."


Yes, yes I am, and I say that to each ande evryone of you Outlaws... how many using the name and password now? I count three, maybe four so far.
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I took some classes with Marceau once, and he talked about teaching it to MJ.
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Ok since this has gotten stupidly out of control now Ill be clear. This has been 1 person the whole time. I have switched identities many times on this account depending on what I was searching for. Now you started drama with the wrong person. Sorry to Sia and Ses for lying about who I wasnt but Im coming clean so everyone leaves innocent people alone. This is Stig and has been the whole time. Nobody else. You don't like my opinions fine. Just take them out on me . Nobody else was involved in this.
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