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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
The haunting by tony chris.
you need to check this out. remote controll haunted deck. works up to 30 feet away. and recharges by your commputer. looks real cool. |
Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On 2011-09-09 00:49, bowers wrote: Hi Bowers, Sounds like a cool idea but after doing magic for 20 years professionally, I am wary of placing my trust in electronics. Methods like the one Doug Edwards employs as well as the uniformly excellent one by Jamie Daws called Scared seem to me at least to be better candidates because you are going to KNOW if they will fail BEFORE the denouement - and only ONCE has the Edwards method failed in all these years. [N.B. Daws' method is similar to Edwards but is entirely impromptu and looks great]. All of that being said, I am guessing that many magicians would be intrigued by the method you suggest. Ahimsa, Vlad PS: The 30 feet away notion is a double edged sword IMHO. Sure, being nowhere near the pack seems more powerful but I would offer that such would ALSO provide the audience with many more possible explanations of the method whereas methods employed by Baker, Edwards, Daws, et, al, because of their immediacy would seem to rule out the other explanations. And audiences are sophisticated so we should never underestimate that. The method you state would not be as transparent as you might believe. Ultra Cinese works because you are still holding the apparatus so while methodology is similar, appearance can bite you; just opinion of course. PPS: I STILL love Yigal Mesika's approach as well. Funny that I would trust a l**p over electronic means. |
bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
Vlad77 I know what you mean about electronics.
and I love the loops way too.if I did buy this I would not wont to do it at 30 feet away it would scream remote or electric I think. but it is a cool way without having to get set up. |
korttihai_82 Inner circle Finland 1880 Posts |
What bowers forgot to mention that you will have to carry one extra deck just for this effect...
The cutting animation isn't always the same due to how the mechanic works. Its not completely under performers control. doesn't work nearly on all surfaces... Especially flat surfaces like floors tend to create "moving deck effect" instead of "haunted deck effect". It has it pros of course as well and they seem to be mentioned lot more than the cons. I owned one but I ended up selling it fue to problems stated above. Juha-Matti |
Daniel Clemente Special user Mount Joy, PA 790 Posts |
The Edwards method is still I think one of the best methods for this effect...Its subtle, and the gimmick can be ditched quite easily...
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aktino New user 86 Posts |
Vlad_77
Do you know where I can find the Edwards effect? Thanks! |
Daniel Clemente Special user Mount Joy, PA 790 Posts |
Tannens Magic Sells it online at http://www.tannensmagic.com....Thats where I got it years ago...wonderful effect!!
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jvickers New user 38 Posts |
If the effect is that the deck is haunted and that it's moving under no influence from you, then distance is the MOST important aspect! Trying to rationalize it any other way just proves your priorities are deeply flawed. I would take a worse looking cutting effect on a deck I'm standing a few feet from over a better looking cut on a deck I'm touching (ala Edwards), any day of the week. The effect is everything. Touching the deck compromises this.
Luckily we have methods like Spooked or those involving loops that get us the best of both worlds |
bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts |
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On 2011-09-22 17:35, aktino wrote: Doug Edwards Really Haunted... Brian
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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Daniel Clemente Special user Mount Joy, PA 790 Posts |
With the Edwards effect, yes your touching the deck, but 2 fingers the way they are held shows an impossibility to the way the deck opens and reveals the chosen card...Edwards version is an out of the ballpark amazing effect and is clean!
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aktino New user 86 Posts |
Trooper11040 and bblumen -
Thanks! |
Daniel Clemente Special user Mount Joy, PA 790 Posts |
No Problem..Hope you get it and have fun with it...
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
I received my haunted deck today.
wow I really love this thing. |
Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
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On 2011-09-23 11:44, jvickers wrote: I completely disagree. Distance points to the method and they'll get to the deck before you do. |
RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
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On 2011-09-29 09:13, Alan Munro wrote: Exactly. Very well said. The question of distance and the touching or not touching the deck is a case of magicians thinking too much like magicians. There are several very good versions of the Al Baker Haunted deck around. One that is hands off but uses you know what to accomplish the effect is Fin Jon's Esoteric. You can even be a bit away from the deck if you really want to be. It is a very good version. I'm not sure if it's even on the market anymore since it was a Ken Brooke item but it may still be available somewhere. If using the original thing to do this effect was so bad why was it used for so many years and why do quite a few still do it the old fashioned way? Answer because it works very well and is perhaps the best way to get the job done. |
bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts |
Must reading for anyone wanting to perform this effect is Eugene Burger's The Haunted Pack, chapter 20 in The Performance of Close-Up Magic, pp. 102-123. Not so much for the method, which is essentially Al Baker's, but for the thoughts and analysis and references.
I would highly recommend that jvickers do so. He might learn something...or, maybe not. Brian
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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RS1963 Inner circle 2734 Posts |
That is also a very good suggestion Brian (Bblueman)
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
The best thing with the haunted deck is you
you don't have to be and feel connected to the deck. I agree on the long distance but 3 or 5 feet is nice. and for the ones who know about thread.it baffels them. |
Daz Buckley Elite user Australia 469 Posts |
To each his own of course. I still think that a haunted deck with l**ps is best for me as it can be done almost impromptu, is clean at the end and uses an un-gaffed deck that I can hand out or do more tricks with immediately.Of course I do sometimes have lighting limitations. The other issue is in this new version the deck is magical. With the older methods I am making the magic happen and that is an important part of how I like an effect to appear to my audience. But hey, horses for courses and that is just my thinking on the subject. Good luck and enjoy performing it
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Christopher Taylor V.I.P. British Columbia Canada 2314 Posts |
Since the origin of this thread is Haunting, I will chirp in here. When we showed Haunting to Penn and Teller, Penn pointed out to me that it looked very close to Al Baker's original in that it could be placed on the floor and the performer could freely walk away from it yet still be in complete control of it. Of course, with Baker's version it was his wife who was controlling it. Actually, Haunting goes even further. I have never had a stronger reaction to a card effect than when I asked a spectator to take the deck and place it on the floor on the other side of a glass door then come back inside. With the door closed, the group and I stood crowded around the window and door watching the deck. I waited until the group started to get ansi and then triggered it. So much fun!
Christopher |
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