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Wiz Kid Qua-Fiki has come up with a new "see-through Change Bag" designed specifically for his Mismade Flag routine. It is of the "tear apart bag" style but with a different method for accomplishing the changes, since it has to perform change after change in the effect and you can see right through it. However, I am tasked with the job of researching all foundational sources and the only one I can't find is who came up with the original "tear apart bag" concept. It had to have been recent, after the invention of Velcro, but none of the current makers of the bags mentions the creator. If anyone has any sources for me to track down, I would appreciate it. I'd like to make Qua-Fiki do the research, but he has a good excuse... he is back in high school and busier than ever since he decided to learn the trumpet this summer. He did remember to locate and identify where he got his ideas as he was thinking it out, but from what I have seen... or rather not seen so far, we're going to need help with this one.
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You might consider some of the tear-apart dove production bags as a resource.

BTW, although not quite as elegant, snap fasteners would also do the trick.
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Thanks, Bill, but unfortunately, having already gone through the Ian Adair Dove Encyclopedias, although the tricks are listed, no creator is mentioned for the dove versions of the Tear Apart Bag, which were certainly the first examples for which Velcro was used in magic tricks. Velcro's use in a change bag was probably copied from an earlier Dove bag... but whose and which one?
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Leslie Melville
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I have always known of it as the 'Flap-doodle' change bag. No idea who invented it but it probably began life with press-studs. I use the prop regularly. There is a routine in 'Magictales' that utilises it and there will be another in 'Magictales Two' - hopefully out early in 2012(plug!).

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"Flap Doodle" was the magic word that unraveled the mystery. It was invented by Roy Baker (1921-2006), stage name of Geoffrey R.H. Hurseand, and it can be found published by Supreme Magic in "Baker's Bonanza" in 1968. Thank's Leslie! Now we can both use the citation!
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Well there you go! I suppose I should have known about the Roy Baker connection. But it's good that we can give the credit where it belongs. Thanks for bringing up the subject.

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