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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
Boy, this is tough because I generally agree with Frank with most of the posts.
I was around in the 60s when the Bose 901's first showed up. We were using huge Altec Lansing "Voice of the Theater" cabinets and horns for most of our sound reinforcement needs, then Bose came out with this tiny cabinet that had amazing quality compared to anything else on the market. Of course it used about twice the amplification that we need for the much larger speakers as they were very inefficient but again, brilliant sound. I've worked with and heard installations they've done around the country that are amazing but to echo Frank's comments... They are VERY expensive compared to most other middle range audio systems. The L1 is a very niche marketed item that I wouldn't ever recommend for most magic shows although it does have its supporters. It was really designed as an experimental piece to use with acoustic groups that need slightly more amplification. The concept was that each musician in the group would have their own standalone sound system and they would mix acoustically in the auditorium to create a perfect blend. It's a very clever and slightly radical idea that I have seen work and creates an amazing sound, but not as efficient or suitable for a magician doing an act by himself. I also agree that everybody wants everything for nothing, lol... I know I do! I am also a fan of Carvin products as I have several large sound systems using Carvin cabinets and also some powered monitors as well. They are probably one of the better values on the market and the Stagemate is certainly no exception. As always, it just depends on the size of the room and the level of audio you need. There are so many variables in everyone's act it's very difficult to find a perfect answer for anyone. If it's just voice it's not as complicated as full range reproduction for background music. It also depends on the volume level you need to support and how much ambient background noise you're having to overcome. I always tend to err on the side of having a little extra headroom in regards to power. I can always turn the volume down but I want to know I've got some reserve there if I need it. Of course I have to pay the price for that as well. Ultimately there is no perfect system for every room that you work. Start off with a small system that's good for your smaller gigs, and as you work larger venues your sound system can grow with you. As a production company, I have four or five concert sound systems I can draw from but for smaller shows I still go back to some of my earlier systems that I bought years ago because they are the right tool for the right job. My honest feeling is that sound and lighting is a vital part of your show but should grow in a balanced fashion as your experience, scale and quality of your own show grows. As the quality of your show grows you'll be earning more money and be able to generate a better product with the increased production value and technical support. Start small and as your venues and crowds grow, you'll hear yourself start to overdrive the small system trying to get sound out. That is the time to step up to the next larger system!
Ray Pierce
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
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On 2011-11-03 01:35, charliecheckers wrote: So if you compare the L1 with the Mackie SRM350 (around $450 per speaker) I think the difference would be astounding. It would probably still be much better sounding even with just one Mackie and then you're really at half the price of the Bose system. The larger the room, the easier it would be to notice the differences.
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
Great discussion points here. Based upon several reviews I just read reviewing the L1 with the Mackie SRM350, it seems most would say the L1 is somewhere in between having one and two Mackie speakers with respect to output. Each situation is somewhat unique. I already own a large Passport system that I find suitable for most of my larger gigs, but it was cumbersome for smaller ones. I invested in the Bose L1 to satisfy those situations, as well as have it available to add to the Passport if needed. Perhaps I could have invested more wisely, but I feel safe in knowing that the Bose L1 has been more than adequate and I have not headed into any situation with uncertainty. The Bose L1 is small and light enough to easily use in a birthday setting either indoor or outdoor as well as smaller festivals where there is quite a bit of competing sounds. Even being relatively new, I think one can be presented with venue opportunities that are not compatible to smaller PA products. I recall going to see Copperfield years ago and hearing some older people complaining that the pre-show music was too loud. I made a mental note to myself that for most people louder music was desired to set the proper tone for his show. If some found it too loud - so be it. Better off too loud than not loud enough. Now, with advice from those here, perhaps I could have made choices that were more cost effective, but I am would rather error on the side of overspending than on inadequate performance.
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
I agree with Frank. In perfectly controlled situations, Bose seems good. But in practical use, if you want to pump out sound, their little drivers simply don't produce the bass and they don't have the treble. There's an old saying, "No highs? No lows? It must be Bose." When Bose 1st came out they got around this with a "processor" that boosted the bass and treble. The altered the sound of recordings, but because it bounced the sound off of walls ("direct reflecting speakers") people found them to be lively.
That being said, most people also think that MP3s are excellent ways to reproduce music and the truth is they're cr@p. Similarly, many of the self-published books I see or prepared in Microsoft Word and look like cr@p. The unfortunate truth is that most people don't care and are willing to accept garbage for quality. I've looked at the L1 realizing the poor quality of the sound, simply because it's easy to carry. I agree, then, with what Frank stated. If you want loud you can go low quality, but it won't sound good. If you want good sound and volume, you're going to need larger speakers. "I'm sorry, Jim. I cannot change the laws of physics." |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
If it's working for you then be happy. That's one less thing to worry about.
If you ever do a gig in a large hall where someone else has a Mackie (or similar) setup really give it a listen from all parts of the room. I think you'll appreciate what they bring to the table. Once nice thing about those is that you can chain them together to handle odd size rooms, huge rooms, etc. and many other setup possibilities. They are very very flexible in what they can do. And the sound is tremendous.
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
Frank - Thanks for sharing. I am always looking to learn better ways. Not that I can afford to make changes now, but the concepts are valuable to me. Thanks for you input.
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GrassosMagicTheatre New user 64 Posts |
I like the Happie Amp
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ELima Regular user Norway 167 Posts |
Interesting thread! I recently went to the local store and tested the Bose L1 with a friend of mine who is also an Opera singer. We were very impressed! The 'treble tower' spread the sound very effectively around the room. And it looks classy.
Agree that they charge a premium for the name, though. Personally I have the Ion Block Rocker. Not at all in the same league. Endre
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