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OTTOEMEZZO Special user 544 Posts |
How do you see Palm Reading fitting into the field of mentalism? Do you think there is a place for it in your close up act? How about stage? Is it too strong and cannot be followed by any other routine?
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
Never heard of it.
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Joshua J Inner circle 1014 Posts |
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On 2011-09-16 15:10, bevbevvybev wrote: Indeed, you definitely shouldn't check Julian's signature. You won't find anything of interest there:bwink: If you don't already palm read I'd also recommend Paul Voodini's palm reading for magicians. Very easy to remember system. |
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gmeister Inner circle 1588 Posts |
Not sure, Joshua. Voodini's book is excellent. However, Bevbevybev may still benefit, albeit minimally, from Palmreading In Your Own Words."
I think I recall seeing two OK reviews of it. Or maybe it was one. |
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Joshua J Inner circle 1014 Posts |
It was a tongue in cheek comment thus the big wink, Both Palmreading In Your Own Words own words and Paul's I've found excellent. As for the question of including it your act that will depend largely on your act and how you use it. If it's thrown in poorly as a trick sandwiched between others it may not work. If it is planned carefully in then go for it. It'll depend largely on you and your performance style. I use it, but do tend to do readings on there own or with pendulum work rather than "tricks".
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Voodini Inner circle 1783 Posts |
I used to do a lot of palm readings at weddings, combined with my Hand of Destiny routine from Reader of Minds. Indeed Hand of Destiny paid my mortgage for around a year!
Spectators are hugely interested in readings and if you can combine readings subtly with a touch of mentalism, then you're on to a winner. Palm reading has an advantage over other oracles in that you need absolutely no props! Packs small, plays big as they say.
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seadog93 Inner circle 3200 Posts |
Waters, palmystic.
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gmeister Inner circle 1588 Posts |
Tongue in cheek or not, I still think Bevbevybev will benefit somewhat from "Palmreading In Your Own Words" and glad we agree on that.
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Danyel Loyal user Italy 293 Posts |
Contact.
Personal contact. That's the key. Physical. This is well described in both ours and shut-eye literatures. Moreover, there is the semiotic level. A much deeper experience. You *are read*. You experience being objectified, while someone works for you the deed of reading your fortune out of symbols -but those symbols are on your flesh and in your skin. Those symbols, is yourself. You are the bearer of meaning. An unaware one. In that moment, you are a subject (the sitter, yourself), an object (a text, a living book), and its meanings (the signs, the lines). The person in front of you is entitled with the power of interpreting. But she interpretes you. As an object (a living one, but object nevertheless). (We feel when they *abandon* their hands into ours.. Talk about power in relationships..)
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DrRob Special user Middle Chinnock 952 Posts |
What a wonderfully written post Danyel!
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Danyel Loyal user Italy 293 Posts |
Too kind of you, Dr. Rob. Only my thoughts.
'People who lean on logic and philosophy and rational exposition
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
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On 2011-09-16 18:08, Danyel wrote: Your thoughts are my thoughts... |
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gmeister Inner circle 1588 Posts |
As usual, Danyel has provided an excellent observation, this time on palmistry. His pointing to objectification is extremely valuable.
It's fascinating to ponder the semiotic level of meaning and its transformations in the same entity in both a non-reified and then a reified state. Classical psychoanalysis (and, to a varying extent, all psychoanalysis) is predicated on interpreting the semiotic dynamics of a reified entity, in this case the patient. Note that this reification can be of the relationships among the different components of mind. (Some may hold that Weberian rationality to permeate every "legitimate" intellectual/scientific endeavor or, at least, the interpretation of these.) One of Jung's heretical breaks was to apply this rationality to the seemingly irrational and palmistry was one of these. Psychochirology was, an one might guess, a special interest of his and he approached it "rationally"--viewing readers as those possessed of intuition, which is capable of being developed. In theory, all such intuitionists would read the same hand in similar fashion--that is, decode the semiotic information is a similar way. To the extent that intuition is part of mentalism, then, certainly for a Jungian, palm reading is a proper resident of the realm. |
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Danyel Loyal user Italy 293 Posts |
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On 2011-09-16 19:35, gmeister wrote: As usual, my friend gmeister overestimates me. Much obliged, nevertheless [bows]. Quote:
(Some may hold that Weberian rationality to permeate every "legitimate" intellectual/scientific endeavor or, at least, the interpretation of these.) Weberian *interpretation of* (or *description of*, as long as there is no description which is not interpretation) rationality? Could you agree on this? Quote:
One of Jung's heretical breaks was to apply this rationality to the seemingly irrational and palmistry was one of these. (...) In theory, all such intuitionists would read the same hand in similar fashion--that is, decode the semiotic information is a similar way. Here is where I personally see how much even the greatest are sons of their time, and society. In this idea of a uniformity of interpretation lies a strong remnant of positivistic times -'intuition, but within the limits of reason'. Semiotically speaking, a hypercodified set of meanings (common sense: "what everybody gives for granted", "nobody would even dare to question it". Here: variously Benjamin, and Husserl). A 'hermeneutic of intuition' seems, as it were, too subversive (too much freestyl-ich?), for the time (*that* time) being. Needless to say, I agree completely with you on the whole. Just some add-on to a common line of thought.
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Voodini's Hand of Destiny has been a staple of my repetoir for the past year. Though I had to make a modification to his method to account for my poor eyesight.
Palmistry is a very powerful tool for mentalism, particularly in walk-about situations. And it is fun.
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gmeister Inner circle 1588 Posts |
No overestimation, Danyel, though you may call it what you will (dare I interject a wee dose of Wittgenstein here?).
I gladly accept your points/clarifications/elaborations of what I posted and, yes, I can agree with your Weberian modification. The minor matters we may disagree on are just those--minor matters. We share a great appreciation of Husserl and a phenomenological approach to so many of these deep questions. A "hermeneutic of intuition"--what a tantalizing area for discussion and application within this our art. Should you ever wish to travel in this direction, I'll pack my duffel! |
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Danyel Loyal user Italy 293 Posts |
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We share a great appreciation of Husserl and a phenomenological approach to so many of these deep questions. A "hermeneutic of intuition"--what a tantalizing area for discussion and application within this our art. Should you ever wish to travel in this direction, I'll pack my duffel! "This was not your land, or ours: but a village in the Midlands, And one in the Five Rivers, may have the same graveyard. Let those who go home tell the same story of you: Of action with a common purpose, action None the less fruitful if neither you nor we Know, until the judgement after death, What is the fruit of action." 'Actions with a common purpose' often drive us, rather than being the expression of our conscious will to follow a route. A discussion about the hermeneutic of intuition.. I don't know where this beautiful idea of yours might bring us, but -needless to say- I join in. Probably -in order to make it useful for the community- it could be a good idea to prepare it in advance. If you agree, we could talk about this in private, and try to define a communicative strategy?
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
Yes I really must get around to reading my own book one day.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2011-09-17 06:35, bevbevvybev wrote: I've read one of my own books. It's an over-rated experience.
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