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PCoreyB
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We used to run into this a lot. Since we did want to help out some charities, plus we knew that certain groups could be beneficial to us down the road, we came up with a policy of donating 2 shows per year. Of course we chose which ones we wanted to do and they were booked well in advance. Whenever someone asked, we just told them that our allotted number of gratis shows for the year was filled and would they please call us at the first of next year if they would like to try for a future donated show.

We didn't reveal our number of 2 freebies per year, we just said that they're gone. Of course if some opportunity arose that we really wanted to take, we could always make an exception and do more than 2.

Again, since most of our paying shows were also for non-profits, this came up a lot for us so we felt we needed to have some sort of policy in place.
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The Musician's Union last week had a discussion about this very matter:
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/82780,news......d-causes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/new......8898.stm
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I did 2 free shows last year and they both turned into paying gigs this year. I also got calls for regular paying gigs from people who saw me there. I still gave those 2 non-profits a discount anyway because I am involved with them personally, and they are the only ones this year that I'm doing that for. It's also good karma to do a few charity gigs per year. I turn down almost all of them though. Be nice to them when they call, they might hire you for your regular rate if they can't get you for free.
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Doing a free show for "exposure" is OK, but just remember...you can DIE from exposure!

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Yes Eskimo's, and magicians all know about DIEING FROM EXPOSURE.
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I wish I had $1 for every time that old "you can die from exposure" line was used on a thread about donating shows / free show requests on the Café. I'd be rich! Smile

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Here's something funny. Not ha ha funny but what a coincidence funny. I read this thread this morning and got a free show request email this afternoon! Here is my reply. Tell me what you think:

Thanks so much for your gracious invitation to peroform for your event. Unfortunately, at this time I have done or booked the 4 free shows a year I allow my business to provide for charities and other non-profit organizations. I must limit my contributions so as not to turn into a non profit org. myself! I do offer non profits rates however, if you are interested in my show. Please email me or call and we can discuss the rates, depending on what services you need.
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Not bad

Sometimes I'll ask if they'll put their boss on the phone - and when they say they are busy, I mention "It's probably because they are being paid for their time".

Then I say "I'm quite busy myself working on the phone so please have your boss call when they have some free time... I need my ceiling painted and my bushes trimmed".
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On 2011-09-30 13:17, TonyB2009 wrote:
A guy asked me to do a show today for six kids at a greyhound track. He told me the venue was prestigious, and I should actually be paying him for the exposure. Needless to say we didn't do business.


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There is nothing wrong with them asking and there is nothing wrong with your saying no (or yes). PCoreyB handles it perfectly.
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"Parents in the 'hood pay me. Charities pay me. Cub Scout packs pay me. Daycares pay me. Why can't you pay me? I get paid when I perform at other schools."

Even the local children's museum embarrasses itself by low-balling. Some organizations can't get much of my time, even to talk to them on the phone, anymore. They've shown themselves to be time-wasters.
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First there are plenty of magicians out there that not only will perform for free "publicity" but actually do it quite often.

off course I would be hard pressed to believe they are full time performers or those that really value their time

that being said yes I do a few volunteer shows a year and I pick and choose the ones I want to do, I volunteer with my local YMCA and do a few shows each year some free some with huge discounts.

what I want to say is this when I choose to do a free donation type of show I still have a contract! this is really important
as you know if they get you for free then they really wont care if they actaully promote you or what ever they just want the show!
how many times h ave you shown up and teh sign says magician or the magical magician insert name I have a stage name use it!

so my contract states that in return for my show "services" the client must
-use my professional stage name on all the advertising , print, web, radio, etc
-if they do have radio ads they MUST mention my professional stage name and time of show
-websites must include my professional stage name, photo (provided) and include a link to my website
-posters provided must be hung up at least one week prior to the event
-performance area must be cleared prior to sam Sandler’s arrival- not having it cleared prior to arrival will cause a delay in the start time of the show and routines may have to be eliminated due to time constraints.
-we ask that 4 bottles of cold water be provided upon sam Sandler’s arrival

not meeting any and all of these requirements is a breech of contract. if these are not met performer reserves the right not to perform the show in its entirety or eliminate certain routines. please understand I am donating my professional show that others pay thousands of dollars for all we are asking is for the publicity of sam Sandler being at your event. this will help not only promote sam Sandler but draw more people to your event thus helping create a successful day.

it then says thanks for your attention to these details and we look forward to being part of your event. I am happy to donate my time and appreciate you advertising my appearance at your event.

this has been a life saver for me as no longer is it a night mare for me. some of the people tell me they cant do all that or gurantee that it will all be done and then I just say sorry if it is not able to be done I can not donate my time. no hard feelings but if I am going to give up a paid gig or the potential to have a paid gig then I need to make sure I get the most out of the free show.

good luck with your time folks

sam
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When asked to do a free show, I say only if I have your permission to video the performance and use the footage as promo material for my website and as I see fit. It’s only fair, if they want a free show, I can video it.

Some have said no, and that was there lost. Others have said yes, and that’s why I have DVDs for sale on my website and a decent promo video which helps generate more shows for me.

Find a reason to do it for free, and sometimes it can be a real money-earner. I know some entertainers who do free shows and as soon as it’s booked, they call the local newspaper and tell them about it. A reporter comes down to the free show and takes photographs of the event in action, and the entertainer gets a full story about them in the paper. This will generate lots of work. If it was a paid gig, the papers would not care. But because it was for charity, it was newsworthy.

Others like BOR sales. I once did a show in a school (paid gig), but they asked me to sell my magic sets afterwards (which was a first for me). Not expecting much, I took the sets to the show and set up a table in the hall at the end of the school day, immediately after the show. All the children ran to the parents, and came running back with money. I made twice as much in BOR than my actual fee! It made me think that I should do more free shows and sell afterwards, as the income was better.

There are threads on this forum about how some entertainers offer free shows in return for services. Such as working a video shop promotion day for free, in return for unlimited free rentals for a year. Over the course of time, the free rentals were worth more than the fee ever was.

Others have performed for a free meal, which even I was tempted to do once. They wanted me for Christmas Day in a restaurant, and I said only if after my set, me and my family could have Christmas Dinner there for free. It was worth more than my fee at the time (not any more, but back then it was). The booking didn’t come off, but finding alternatives to payment can be more awarding if your clever and a little lucky.

One more final example are Cruise Ship jobs. Many positions as entertainers on cruise ships are unpaid. But in return for doing this ‘freebie’, you can sell your books and DVDs, which as demonstrated above, can pay rather well. But also means you get a free holiday out of it.

In regards to a school, I would go with the video route. But if you have nothing better to do and the booking was just a few days away… you might be tempted to do a short show, as long as every one of those children and parents got to take home your flyer. It could drill up a lot of work. Just make sure the only one that knows your doing it for free is you and the client. No-one else is allowed to know your doing it for free, otherwise it will give you tons of problems later. To everyone else’s knowledge, you are being paid your top fee.

Steve
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I cover 44 counties in my state. In every one of the school districts I've worked with it is forbidden to photograph or video the children.

It is also illegal here to use anyone's image in any promotion, advertising, etc., unless the photo was taken in a very public place, such as a street fair, festival, etc., where privacy can't be expected.

-B.H.
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This is true in most schools however schools now have a policy in place where parents have to sign a release form either letting the school use the photos of their children in public formats or not letting them use the pictures

for instance- schools will alow photos to be put in the news paper but they have to be kids where parents signed the relase allowing that to happen.

Now if I want to use the photos or video I have to provide the school with a different release form to send home to each child and get it signed so that I can use their photos or video. some schools already allow it as their original release covers me and some do not,.

when filming children in schools it can be a tricky thing to do ( pun intended)

you just need to check with your school.

I have shot many videos in schools over the years and plan to shoot at least 2 this year with my new school assembly shows.

never had a problem yet

sam
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Yes, Its all about getting the release forms signed by the child parent. Some teachers are just too lazy to do it, yet still want you to do a free show.

For filming a project in a school, you need about 6 parents to sign the paper allowing their child to appear in the video. The teacher should aim to get 10 signatures and while in most cases they all agree. Sometime there can be a problem but at least you have a few spare. You then just choose those children for the video.

In some DVD projects, you may also notice that the children helping look very similar to the magician. that's because they are the children of the performer. The show they did was still free, as you are allowed crowd shots and reaction shots. Its about the focus of the frame, which means whoever helps in the trick directly you need permission for.

A 'cheat' to this however is to film your show at a Halloween party and only choose children wearing masks. But my contracts are made with the teacher / event planner and its up to them to get the parents permission. that's the cost of getting me to perform for free.

Steve
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If people don't value my time, I don't have the time to discuss it with them. You will never change their small minds.
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I wish I could perform for free, but I have to be able to afford my school taxes.

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I just explain that, because I get so many requests for free shows, my policy is to turn them all down. I explain that I do perform many charity events through the year, but for each of them I extend the offer of a free show.

By the way, my free show policy is that I'll only perform one if the purpose is to cheer up an audience of kids that really needs it. I'll do children's hospitals, and I've worked with a charity that provides birthday parties to homeless children. But you won't see me doing a benefit to raise money for the local yacht club.

Callers seem to understand this policy, and then I get off the phone quickly without sounding like a bad guy. After all, today's free show requester could call tomorrow for a paid one.
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