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On 2011-11-27 05:36, themagiczone wrote:
If examination were not important in this kind of effect we would all still be using the original method.

...but the original method does allow complete examination of the deck, immediately after the performance. The possibility that anyone would actually discover anything is almost zero....and even if they did, the only evidence would simply appear to be very normal, simply not a brand new deck....highly unlikely that anyone would realise how the effect had been accomplished. More to the point, with the original method, the deck can immediately be used for any other card effects, which demonstrate that the deck is ungimmicked, without the need for "examination".
Which is why I suggested that some of you might consider using the classic method a while, just to remind yourselves what a brilliant piece of magic the original already is!
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On 2011-11-27 05:36, themagiczone wrote:
If examination were not important in this kind of effect we would all still be using the original method.

...but the original method does allow complete examination of the deck, immediately after the performance. The possibility that anyone would actually discover anything is almost zero....and even if they did, the only evidence would simply appear to be very normal, simply not a brand new deck....highly unlikely that anyone would realise how the effect had been accomplished. More to the point, with the original method, the deck can immediately be used for any other card effects, which demonstrate that the deck is ungimmicked, without the need for "examination".
Which is why I suggested that some of you might consider using the classic method a while, just to remind yourselves what a brilliant piece of magic the original already is!
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TO correct you Potty... your use of "original method" is out of context here, the ORIGINAL haunted deck (or one of them) that I used to Sell at Micky Hades magic shop several decades ago consisted of half the deck with a hole in the center which the T*****D ran up .This version which preceeded many versions that came out in last decade was NOT examinable. History lesson over! Anyone else over 40 remember that deck??
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On 2011-11-27 13:25, Scott Imler wrote:
TO correct you Potty... your use of "original method" is out of context here, the ORIGINAL haunted deck (or one of them) that I used to Sell at Micky Hades magic shop several decades ago consisted of half the deck with a hole in the center which the T*****D ran up .This version which preceeded many versions that came out in last decade was NOT examinable. History lesson over! Anyone else over 40 remember that deck??
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Heck yeah, I remember it -- I had one! Mine used "IT" that was not remotely "I." I fiddled with it a bit, and it went into a drawer, never having been performed for anyone. I was wondering what the heck people were talking about when they said the original Haunted Deck was great and examinable! Smile

One cool thing about the original HD was that it would cut itself, then square itself, leaving the selected card sticking out -- and you could do it with a few selected cards, which would be revealed one after the other. But the method and mechanics were so dodgy -- in my opinion -- that the effect wasn't worth it.
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Wasn't Al Baker the person who created the haunted deck or the pack that cuts itself in his book. I believe he had a couple of methods.
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If complete examination is a must-have, there's always the version by Derren Brown on The Devil's Picturebook.

Saying that, I've ordered Haunted and eagerly await it... Smile
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The one with the tread through half the pack is the first one I owned, I still have it in red bikes in perfect condition, it can make 3 cards come out one at a time in different directions.

I could still do this today if I wished but would have to use good management, which usually means do something else very soon after to take away the opportunity to ask to see.

People are generally very polite as already said and don't ask to see.

I do a ring flight and do a rubbish take of the ring that looks like its still in my right hand. I expect and want them to say its in that hand but it only happens about 50% of the time. People are too respectful to pick me up when I actually want them to, because of course the ring is not there, this gets a laugh when it proves the person who was brave enough to speak wrong!

Any way we are still waiting, how much longer Peter we can only keep all the talk up for so long before someone starts "fighting", you must be reading this thread?
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Penguin's site said pre-orders would ship tomorrow. Hopefully we'll see reviews this week. In the meantime, the theory discussion is a lot of fun. I love this stuff. Smile
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On 2011-11-27 05:36, themagiczone wrote:
If examination were not important in this kind of effect we would all still be using the original method.

...but the original method does allow complete examination of the deck, immediately after the performance. The possibility that anyone would actually discover anything is almost zero....and even if they did, the only evidence would simply appear to be very normal, simply not a brand new deck....highly unlikely that anyone would realise how the effect had been accomplished. More to the point, with the original method, the deck can immediately be used for any other card effects, which demonstrate that the deck is ungimmicked, without the need for "examination".
Which is why I suggested that some of you might consider using the classic method a while, just to remind yourselves what a brilliant piece of magic the original already is!
Potty Smile

TO correct you Potty... your use of "original method" is out of context here, the ORIGINAL haunted deck (or one of them) that I used to Sell at Micky Hades magic shop several decades ago consisted of half the deck with a hole in the center which the T*****D ran up .This version which preceeded many versions that came out in last decade was NOT examinable. History lesson over! Anyone else over 40 remember that deck??
Scott

I assume Potty is referring to Al Baker "deck that cuts itself" which I think was from "Pet Secrets" in 1951- if not earlier. This was examinable. I think history studies is more in order than history lessons?
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Maybe it's more accurate to say the one Scott is referring to -- and that I had as a kid -- is the first commercially released Haunted Deck? Smile I'm sure the version Al Baker described is better; it'd have to be. If it came first, well, that just makes the commercial one Scott and I discussed all the more bewildering. Smile
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I knew someone would bite sooner or later and the controvery begins... Astrocity, read your post and don't know where to start really. I got to keep this short and apologies for rushing but any futher posts related to my commments, replies etc will have to wait until next week. 1stly you have got me all wrong and it is quite funny actually reading that you feel I'm the type of performer who as you put it is a...
'I'm going to show you something that will freak you out and blow your mind' performer.
That is as far from the way I am as a performer as I would never ever wish to be, but if that is the impression you have got from my posts then apologies - but yes it was quite funny to read or even think of me being like that. 2ndly I don't know who you were trying to address the issues or your personal views/opinions on about spectators in the real world. You certainly don't need to tell me about what real world people are like as I perform for them every weekend. But if you feel that your post regarding this gives others some perhaps advise or your views on this matter, then great. I do agree with your perception on how people are.

Im not trying to convince people that what I do or what any magician performing is REAL magic, because as you pointed out everyone knows that magic is just tricks and not someone with special powers. I think you are missing the point. Whatever magic you perform you want to try and make it as impossible to work out - because that's the 1st thing people do is try to work out how it is done (after hopefully felling entertained). You want your audience to say at the end... That was a very good trick, I have absolutly no idea how that was done. By performing tricks that could possibly have an answer how it was done in the spectators mind, to which they are not aloud or given the opportunity to check their curiosity with the props oyu use, will just leave them with the answer of how it was done. I don't care what you or anyone says, but people really are to polite to examine your props if they think you perhaps use a trick deck for example. Even so if they don't, when they think about how a trick could be done their only theory would be that it must have been something to do with the deck - trick worked out. But what if you perform the same trick then at the end give the deck for examination (which is a perfectly logical thing to do) that way you have just ruled out any possible answer in any spectators mind if they think the trick was performed with a special deck.

You are right about the real moral being that we as magicians should entertain our audience, and I totally agree as this is the most important thing. But I would also rather be a good magician and entertainer to which I baffle my audience, rather someone think I was a good entertainer and an ok magician as they knew how I was performing my tricks because I must have been using some type of special trick deck.

Anyway... once again fingers crossed with 'Haunted' and I really hope this lives up to all the hype.
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As for those who are on the examine path with Haunted. IF this is a single or even 2 card gimmick then using this in conjunction with the any card to any wallet gimmick would be a great combo to end clean.
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On 2011-11-27 14:33, matthew wright wrote:
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On 2011-11-27 05:36, themagiczone wrote:
If examination were not important in this kind of effect we would all still be using the original method.

...but the original method does allow complete examination of the deck, immediately after the performance. The possibility that anyone would actually discover anything is almost zero....and even if they did, the only evidence would simply appear to be very normal, simply not a brand new deck....highly unlikely that anyone would realise how the effect had been accomplished. More to the point, with the original method, the deck can immediately be used for any other card effects, which demonstrate that the deck is ungimmicked, without the need for "examination".
Which is why I suggested that some of you might consider using the classic method a while, just to remind yourselves what a brilliant piece of magic the original already is!
Potty Smile

TO correct you Potty... your use of "original method" is out of context here, the ORIGINAL haunted deck (or one of them) that I used to Sell at Micky Hades magic shop several decades ago consisted of half the deck with a hole in the center which the T*****D ran up .This version which preceeded many versions that came out in last decade was NOT examinable. History lesson over! Anyone else over 40 remember that deck??
Scott

I assume Potty is referring to Al Baker "deck that cuts itself" which I think was from "Pet Secrets" in 1951- if not earlier. This was examinable. I think history studies is more in order than history lessons?

To be honest, I don't know who created the version I'm talking about. But it has been around for many decades...I know I read it in an old magic book in about 1967. It takes about one minute to create the gaff, using a safety pin, t****d, and a sharp knife or scissors. The effect is so simple, it wouldn't be practical to release it commercially. The only real drawback is that the effect really needs to happen in the performer's hands. That said, there are ways to do it "hands free", but it opens up a whole can of worms.
The deck can easily be used for other effects both before and after the Haunting occurs.
I just find this old and very reliable method so strong, it makes me wonder why the obsession with performing it "hands free". Those who have the Haunted Matchbox will have a good idea how this old version works....the method is quite similar, though significantly less complex to set up.
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So when Penguin Magic says that something is shipping on the 28th, does that mean that is when they are shipping it out, or when it is shipped to them? I thought Haunted was shipping out to me yesterday. Didn't get an e-mail though.
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I think penguin magic will ship today.
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I did a live chat with them yesterday in he early AM .I was told they would email once they ship but have yet to receive one. My understanding is they were supposed to arrive at Penguin yesterday (Monday) but they did not know exactly when. So if they arrived later in the day it may not be till today they atart to ship?
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They need to hurry, because I WANT TO SEE SOME REVIEWS! Smile

I will say this: An E-mail I got from Penguin yesterday, promoting their "Choose Five" deal, describe "Haunted" as "NOW SHIPPING." So if it didn't start shipping yesterday, well....
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Well, I splurged a bit more than I probably should have and did next day shipping. So if it does ship out today then I will post a review in a new thread tomorrow. I'll keep you posted.
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Amen, Mike.

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On 2011-11-25 22:14, Michael Peterson wrote:
If ditching a gimmick or not being able to manage your spectators is a big issue,this type of effect is not for you.

I can't recall the last time a spectator asked to see the deck.

All these posts about an effect that no one has yet is silly.

I really want to see some reviews before I buy this,maybe someone will start a seperate thread with just reviews of the effect & not a bunch of questions that can't be answered before the effect is out.



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Penguin update! Looks like they have NOT received any yet themselves they are trying to track down some info from the supplier.Could be today,tomorrow................fingers crossed.
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